Naim Powerline on Hicap DR vs 250 DR

Interesting. I too only have one Powerline and I have it directly from the wall socket into my 250 DR. Might try moving it to my SupercapDR (feeding a 252). Trouble is if I like the improvement to both the 250 and to the Supercap/252 then I will need to buy another Powerline. And I did tell myself no more spending on HiFi this year!

Ho hum.

It's not Hifi, it's just a wire. 

What?

Good excuse HH 

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's not Hifi, it's just a wire. 

Thanks for the clarification HH. Does this mean I can justify the purchase of the second Powerline and feel no guilt?

Yours,

Delusional of Chesham

analogmusic posted:

I tried the Naim power line on my 250 DR, (I only have one), and it adds much improvement, more detail is audible, more powerful bass, maybe a bit too much bass actually 

But on the Hicap DR, the huge 282 soundstage expands even more in all directions, really amazing, I am seriously impressed.

But if I had to choose between Hicap DR and 250 DR, my preference would be to keep it on the Hicap DR

 

As you might expect me to say, because I've made this point before, if I had one PowerLine in a system that had a 282 I'd put it on the Napsc.  That's what I did with mine when I had a 282  and although I've since put Powerlines on everything, the biggest benefit I got was the first on the Naspc.  

Mike

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

Adam Zielinski posted:

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

And by the way - you now owe me two ales - NDS is sitting in a boot of my car - just picked it up from my dealer....

Adam Zielinski posted:

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

Agree with Adam, just get some more wire as HH says. 

MDS posted:

analogmusic posted:

I tried the Naim power line on my 250 DR, (I only have one), and it adds much improvement, more detail is audible, more powerful bass, maybe a bit too much bass actually 

But on the Hicap DR, the huge 282 soundstage expands even more in all directions, really amazing, I am seriously impressed.

But if I had to choose between Hicap DR and 250 DR, my preference would be to keep it on the Hicap DR

 

As you might expect me to say, because I've made this point before, if I had one PowerLine in a system that had a 282 I'd put it on the Napsc.  That's what I did with mine when I had a 282  and although I've since put Powerlines on everything, the biggest benefit I got was the first on the Naspc.  

Mike

Funny thing Mike - last weekend we stripped the system down for a hoover behind the racks and tried a PL on the NAPSC - thought it made no difference at all.

Adam Zielinski posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

And by the way - you now owe me two ales - NDS is sitting in a boot of my car - just picked it up from my dealer....

Yes, I know I need more wires, I just need to convince the in-home CFO of the VFM offered by a full compliment of PowerLines - no easy task. Any tips on how you got capex approval from your CFO for your recent 'investments' that might help me in my 'justification'?

Adam Zielinski posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

And by the way - you now owe me two ales - NDS is sitting in a boot of my car - just picked it up from my dealer....

What is the NDS doing sitting in the boot of your car? It ain't going to stir the soul in there now is it?

If you make it to my pub, you will be welcome to (at least....hic!) two pints of my finest. Does that mean if I buy two more PowerLines, you will buy me those two pints back?

Nigel - I presented logical arguments of huge discounts offered )) to my CFO and she approved after some pleading.

As to pints vs HiLines - yes: for every 'wire' you buy, I will buy you a pint

wenger2015 posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

NigelB - you seriously need to PowerLine all your gear Monitor's never sounded so good when I added those 'just wires'

Agree with Adam, just get some more wire as HH says. 

Oh the pressure!

The conversation will go something like this:

Me - 'Darling I need two more bits of wire for my HiFi'

Wife - 'Oh yes, and what are they for?'

Me - 'They are power leads'

Wife - 'Oh like kettle leads you mean?'

Me - 'Yes dear, that's right' - trying in vain not to sound condecending

Wife - 'OK' she says, thinking that they sound cheap

At this point, I think I have got away with it, then the killer question:

Wife - 'How much are they?'

I then start to panic but manage to summon up enough courage to reply with a straight face:

Me - 'Err....errrr......£530 each'

Now her predicted response to this is simply not repeatable on here but I am sure you see my problem.

Nigel - clearly there is a lack of previous 'preconditioning' evident.

Power supply cables and interconnect must be presented as indespensible, weeks in advance.

Almost to a point, where it would be your wife asking you the question:

'Nigel, my darling, when are you going to get those proper power supply cables? The standard ones are so horrible, I cannot bear to listen to our expensive system being practically rouined by these nasty shoe-string things.'

Wouldn't that be marvelous? 

Yeah, preconditioning, I think I have got it. Does it help if the CFO in question has had a wine or two before broaching the investment question or am I barking up the wrong tree?

The other problem is my CFO doesn't listen to the system and shows little interest in it other than how much it costs - rather typical of bean-counters in general I have found throughout my working life. Apologies to all bean-counters out there who do not fit this stereotype.

Tricky one!

Tricky but not impossible...

I once managed to convince my wife to help me choose power supply cables for our LP12. I was swapping and she did the critical listening. 

She chose a very good cable and had good insights into why she rejected the other ones  

Perhaps that's the way... Get Mrs B involved on an emotional / expert level? Show her how things improve....

I find a bottle of wine works wonders, if all else fails a new pair of shoes usually does the trick 

Very true - 555PS 'costed' me 6 pairs of shoes

Thanks for the advice chaps and you are clearly more experienced and imaginative than I in this whole area of audio capex approval.

I could try to involve her in the buying decision but that is easier said than done. Look I don't want to sound negative and I do appreciate the suggestions but you need to appreciate the depth of my darling wife's disinterest in all things audio.

But shoes might just work. I am going to have to be careful it doesn't come across a bribery or a condecending gift to buy off the lady. You guys seem to have it nailed, how did you sell the whole shoes thing without it blowing up in your face?

PS, Many, many apolgies to the OP for straying way off topic.

no worries, I found that the PL on Hicap DR does expand the soundstage, but makes the bass much leaner.

So to counter this effect I need another PL on the 250 DR to fatten up the bass (which is what it does).

Oh well. I don't feel like spending money on another PL at the moment.

No wonder MDS liked the PL on the NAPSC first. 

nigelb posted:

Thanks for the advice chaps and you are clearly more experienced and imaginative than I in this whole area of audio capex approval.

You guys seem to have it nailed, how did you sell the whole shoes thing without it blowing up in your face?.

It's like playing chess on a 3D board - you need to plan your moves way in advance. Ideally days, if not weeks of planning are involved. It's like a business case you need to sell to your CFO / Bank manager....

analogmusic posted:

no worries, I found that the PL on Hicap DR does expand the soundstage, but makes the bass much leaner.

So to counter this effect I need another PL on the 250 DR to fatten up the bass (which is what it does).

Oh well. I don't feel like spending money on another PL at the moment.

No wonder MDS liked the PL on the NAPSC first. 

Indeed - beacuse it has least effect there. After all NAPSC on 282 only powers the lights, switches and a motor for then volume and balance knobs. 

Adam Zielinski posted:

nigelb posted:

Thanks for the advice chaps and you are clearly more experienced and imaginative than I in this whole area of audio capex approval.

You guys seem to have it nailed, how did you sell the whole shoes thing without it blowing up in your face?.

It's like playing chess on a 3D board - you need to plan your moves way in advance. Ideally days, if not weeks of planning are involved. It's like a business case you need to sell to your CFO / Bank manager....

Blimey, 3D chess moves, sounds complicated and I don't play chess. Isn't there an easier way? I could try do a full blown business plan supplemented by a capital expenditure application with justifications based on return on investment but that sounds equally tricky. Plus the wife (in-house CFO) might smell a rat!

(Hope the OP doesn't mind me having a bit of fun on his thread).

Nahhh... too complicated...

You need to treat it more like a complex HR case, which motivation incentives, circle of influence etc etc....

I'm sure Analog doesn't mind....