Naim Powerline on Hicap DR vs 250 DR

nigelb posted:

Thanks for the advice chaps and you are clearly more experienced and imaginative than I in this whole area of audio capex approval.

I could try to involve her in the buying decision but that is easier said than done. Look I don't want to sound negative and I do appreciate the suggestions but you need to appreciate the depth of my darling wife's disinterest in all things audio.

But shoes might just work. I am going to have to be careful it doesn't come across a bribery or a condecending gift to buy off the lady. You guys seem to have it nailed, how did you sell the whole shoes thing without it blowing up in your face?

PS, Many, many apolgies to the OP for straying way off topic.

It's best to ask for forgiveness than permission. 

spurrier sucks posted:

nigelb posted:

Thanks for the advice chaps and you are clearly more experienced and imaginative than I in this whole area of audio capex approval.

I could try to involve her in the buying decision but that is easier said than done. Look I don't want to sound negative and I do appreciate the suggestions but you need to appreciate the depth of my darling wife's disinterest in all things audio.

But shoes might just work. I am going to have to be careful it doesn't come across a bribery or a condecending gift to buy off the lady. You guys seem to have it nailed, how did you sell the whole shoes thing without it blowing up in your face?

PS, Many, many apolgies to the OP for straying way off topic.

It's best to ask for forgiveness than permission. 

Wise words indeed, I may just have to resort to this as the alternative is sounding ever-more complicated. As they say if you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.

Adam Zielinski posted:

Nahhh... too complicated...

You need to treat it more like a complex HR case, which motivation incentives, circle of influence etc etc....

I'm sure Analog doesn't mind.... 

Sorry Adam, that sounds even more complicated. I have managed teams of people in my working life but all those teams were composed of people who responded to the usual 'thank you for doing a great job', personal development, career planning, managerial support when needed, yada, yada... The wife is very different. She's smart, she knows me backwards, she can smell a rat from a great distance, she knows when she is being played. Trust me even the best management techniques won't help here.

No, the more I think about it I am going to have to take a deep breath and go with Spurrier Sucks advice. Rather not get caught and have to do the forgiveness bit though. This course of action does have its risks. Ummm......

The Strat (Fender) posted:

MDS posted:

analogmusic posted:

I tried the Naim power line on my 250 DR, (I only have one), and it adds much improvement, more detail is audible, more powerful bass, maybe a bit too much bass actually 

But on the Hicap DR, the huge 282 soundstage expands even more in all directions, really amazing, I am seriously impressed.

But if I had to choose between Hicap DR and 250 DR, my preference would be to keep it on the Hicap DR

 

As you might expect me to say, because I've made this point before, if I had one PowerLine in a system that had a 282 I'd put it on the Napsc.  That's what I did with mine when I had a 282  and although I've since put Powerlines on everything, the biggest benefit I got was the first on the Naspc.  

Mike

Funny thing Mike - last weekend we stripped the system down for a hoover behind the racks and tried a PL on the NAPSC - thought it made no difference at all.

Fair enough, Strat. At least you gave it a try. I seem to recall that Simon-in-Suffolk tried it when he had a 282 and similarly wasn't convinced but I know others on here have found a worthwhile benefit.

Mike

Adam Zielinski posted:

analogmusic posted:

no worries, I found that the PL on Hicap DR does expand the soundstage, but makes the bass much leaner.

So to counter this effect I need another PL on the 250 DR to fatten up the bass (which is what it does).

Oh well. I don't feel like spending money on another PL at the moment.

No wonder MDS liked the PL on the NAPSC first. 

Indeed - beacuse it has least effect there. After all NAPSC on 282 only powers the lights, switches and a motor for then volume and balance knobs. 

It does a bit more than that, Adam, it controls the relays as so has an impact on the single path.  At least that is the explanation that I think Mr Meredith suggested when the topic was being debated on here a year or two ago.

Mike  

Mike - thank you for the clarification.

Adam

Surely if you have one PL you bung it on the source, no?

Mark J posted:

Surely if you have one PL you bung it on the source, no? 

Logically you'd think so. When I had one PL I found it worked better on my SN2 than my CD5X.

Not everyone uses a naim source

Powerline can't be used on a chord Hugo 

Does wonders for a P9 power supply 

Mark J posted:

Surely if you have one PL you bung it on the source, no?

 

I have found PL sound  best by starting at amp, then adding preamp PSU and then finally sources (that can accept it).. well at least on my setup.

 BTW when I ran a NAPSC (on a 202 and then 282) I heard no difference at all ( not even a subtle presentation change) when adding a PL, unlike some on this forum... I concluded  this might be because of users differeing grounding / earthing arrangements making this sensitive or not, as in such a setup the NAPSC has nothing to with with the audio signal path electronically with audio switching deliberately being performed by isolating relays.

Simon

analogmusic posted:

I tried the Naim power line on my 250 DR, (I only have one), and it adds much improvement, more detail is audible, more powerful bass, maybe a bit too much bass actually 

But on the Hicap DR, the huge 282 soundstage expands even more in all directions, really amazing, I am seriously impressed.

But if I had to choose between Hicap DR and 250 DR, my preference would be to keep it on the Hicap DR

 

Just exactly what i  found last year 

1st P.Line on 250-2 hardly noticeable                                                                                                                         2nd one on HC DR, feeding 282 gave me a more expansive soundstage, smoother and less harsh presentation.

Regards

Roberto