best power strip for Naim

Furutech eTP60 - it's star wired, no filters. Just fundamentally good engineering.

Quality control clearly has a lot to do with it. For me, the NANA Noisetrapper was a huge step up from the basic Wiremold. The improvement from Noisetrapper to PDC was more subtle, but substantial. No experience with the AVO Wiremold, which came out after I got my PDC. I also have dedicated circuits. AVO cryoed my Tibias for very little money. I can't comment on improvement, as my system was down for the three-week turnaround. If the improvement were huge, I probably would have noticed it, though.

Electricians here in the States often refer to dedicated circuits as "home runs".

JRHardee posted:

Quality control clearly has a lot to do with it. For me, the NANA Noisetrapper was a huge step up from the basic Wiremold. The improvement from Noisetrapper to PDC was more subtle, but substantial. No experience with the AVO Wiremold, which came out after I got my PDC. I also have dedicated circuits. AVO cryoed my Tibias for very little money. I can't comment on improvement, as my system was down for the three-week turnaround. If the improvement were huge, I probably would have noticed it, though.

Electricians here in the States often refer to dedicated circuits as "home runs".

gotcha sounds like the cryo was maybe not heard with your ears? You guy's recommend fitting my Tibias with Wattgate plugs on both ends or just the one?

The Furutech unit (eight-outlet eTP-80 shown) has passive filter components:

that the Wiremold does not possess. And you still need to add a mains lead....

Unless a difference was really huge, I'm not confident that I could tell the difference between what my system sounds like one day and what it sounds like 3 weeks later. I'm skeptical that most people could.

I also have the male Wattgate plugs on the Tibias. Are females now an option? 

Apparently, a lot of the NANA strips weren't worth the money. I was lucky.

DavidDever posted:

The Furutech unit (eight-outlet eTP-80 shown) has passive filter components:

that the Wiremold does not possess. And you still need to add a mains lead....

whats your opinion on this unit

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JRHardee posted:

Unless a difference was really huge, I'm not confident that I could tell the difference between what my system sounds like one day and what it sounds like 3 weeks later. I'm skeptical that most people could.

I also have the male Wattgate plugs on the Tibias. Are females now an option? 

Apparently, a lot of the NANA strips weren't worth the money. I was lucky.

the IEC wattgate can be purchased from a Wattgate supplier

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joerand posted:

greekspec2 posted:

I own a plain Wiremold with a WattGate 5266i plug on it already.

I think you're set up pretty well with what you've got. The basic Wiremold was a big boost for me versus my former NANA Noisetrapper (which AVO previously endorsed). I'd look at wall sockets for the next best improvement in your power delivery, especially if you're using a consumer grade socket.

Joe,

FYI, the "NANA Noise Trapper" has never been endorsed by AVO ...

What's more,  NANA ceased it's endorsement of the Noisetrapper in 2007.

Chris

AV Options LLC   (AVO)

greekspec2 posted:

DavidDever posted:

The Furutech unit (eight-outlet eTP-80 shown) has passive filter components:

that the Wiremold does not possess. And you still need to add a mains lead....

whats your opinion on this unit

I have not heard the eTP-80 or eTP-60, though my experience with Furutech on both Naim as well as non-Naim (I have a pair of Boulder mono amps here at home) has not been positive in terms of performance.

In order for an accessory product to make sense, it must bring something to the table in terms of reduced harm. Signal compression, rounded transients or, worse yet, no positive effect at all does not make a product worth keeping.

In general, less is more.

greekspec2 posted:

Jay Coleman posted:

What you have is not the same: it has no deep cryo, no plinth, no professional termination, no extensive testing in reference Naim systems.

But if it makes you happy, go with it.

it actually has a maple plinth with the same acoustifeet and wattgate plug, only thing is no deep cyro which until Naim does it to there equipment then I'll approve

We've not sold any SuperWiremold strips without Deep-Cryo since we started shipping them in the fall of 2014 ... so clearly what you have was not built by AV Options.

Chris West

AV Options LLC

Chris West posted:

greekspec2 posted:

Jay Coleman posted:

What you have is not the same: it has no deep cryo, no plinth, no professional termination, no extensive testing in reference Naim systems.

But if it makes you happy, go with it.

it actually has a maple plinth with the same acoustifeet and wattgate plug, only thing is no deep cyro which until Naim does it to there equipment then I'll approve

We've not sold any SuperWiremold strips without Deep-Cryo since we started shipping them in the fall of 2014 ... so clearly what you have was not built by AV Options.

Chris West

AV Options LLC

understood  what I have is a Wiremold L10320 terminated with a Wattgate 5266i, maple plinth in piano black finish with acoustic feet.

on your Tibia plus does the IEC end with a matching terminated Wattgate have any benefit? or the stock IEC end does the job

greekspec2 posted:

Chris West posted:

greekspec2 posted:

Jay Coleman posted:

What you have is not the same: it has no deep cryo, no plinth, no professional termination, no extensive testing in reference Naim systems.

But if it makes you happy, go with it.

it actually has a maple plinth with the same acoustifeet and wattgate plug, only thing is no deep cyro which until Naim does it to there equipment then I'll approve

We've not sold any SuperWiremold strips without Deep-Cryo since we started shipping them in the fall of 2014 ... so clearly what you have was not built by AV Options.

Chris West

AV Options LLC

understood  what I have is a Wiremold L10320 terminated with a Wattgate 5266i, maple plinth in piano black finish with acoustic feet.

on your Tibia plus does the IEC end with a matching terminated Wattgate have any benefit? or the stock IEC end does the job

OK,  so what you have is not a real SuperWiremold.

We have a consistent production process and strict quality control for each SuperWiremold we make.

Hence the 100% positive feedback we've had from customers in the USA and Canada with Naim systems who've purchased a SuperWiremold made by AV Options.

Chris

My original reference power strip is the classic Wiremold. When the NANA Noisetrapper came out, I bought one on the strength of good reviews from credible sources. It seemed to give a more spacious, smoother, less fatiguing sound than the Wiremold, but I also suspect that it took some of the life out of the music, so it was, at best, a qualified improvement.

Fast forward about ten years, and the power strip to have (in the Naim universe) appeared to be the Audience AR6 PDC. By the time I’d gotten round to ordering one, AV Options had just stopped carrying it, having replaced it with the new SuperWiremold. As the latter was very new, there were no independent reviews and, as it’s not feasible to audition power strips, I played it safe and went for the more established Audience. My thinking was that, given the provenance, the SuperWiremold is probably excellent value for money; it may even come close to the Audience; but (given that it’s “just” a souped up Wiremold) I doubted that it’s actually better. Also, I just wanted to be done with the nagging feeling that there was a bottleneck in my system next to the wall.

Having decided to go the whole hog, I bought a cryo-treated Tibia PowerCon from AVO. I also built a tiny fibreboard-and-glass ball-nutter shelf for the Audience, which happened to fit neatly in the corner behind my (cramped) setup. It sounds excellent, and I no longer have any concerns that there’s a bottleneck upstream of my gear.

Given the reviews that are coming in, though, if I was to do it over, I might save my dosh and go for the SuperWiremold. And, as others have commented, the lack of a dedicated circuit in the OP’s home is the bigger limitation here. So, if I were in a similar situation as the OP, I would go for the SuperWiremold and call it a day.

Colm

Corry posted:

My original reference power strip is the classic Wiremold. When the NANA Noisetrapper came out, I bought one on the strength of good reviews from credible sources. It seemed to give a more spacious, smoother, less fatiguing sound than the Wiremold, but I also suspect that it took some of the life out of the music, so it was, at best, a qualified improvement.

Fast forward about ten years, and the power strip to have (in the Naim universe) appeared to be the Audience AR6 PDC. By the time I’d gotten round to ordering one, AV Options had just stopped carrying it, having replaced it with the new SuperWiremold. As the latter was very new, there were no independent reviews and, as it’s not feasible to audition power strips, I played it safe and went for the more established Audience. My thinking was that, given the provenance, the SuperWiremold is probably excellent value for money; it may even come close to the Audience; but (given that it’s “just” a souped up Wiremold) I doubted that it’s actually better. Also, I just wanted to be done with the nagging feeling that there was a bottleneck in my system next to the wall.

Having decided to go the whole hog, I bought a cryo-treated Tibia PowerCon from AVO. I also built a tiny fibreboard-and-glass ball-nutter shelf for the Audience, which happened to fit neatly in the corner behind my (cramped) setup. It sounds excellent, and I no longer have any concerns that there’s a bottleneck upstream of my gear.

Given the reviews that are coming in, though, if I was to do it over, I might save my dosh and go for the SuperWiremold. And, as others have commented, the lack of a dedicated circuit in the OP’s home is the bigger limitation here. So, if I were in a similar situation as the OP, I would go for the SuperWiremold and call it a day.

Colm

it's possible the Audience still may be the better of the two, like you said one was purpose built and the other modified. I guess I can order one and return it if I don't see it worth the money

Chris West posted:

Joe,

FYI, the "NANA Noise Trapper" has never been endorsed by AVO ...

What's more,  NANA ceased it's endorsement of the Noisetrapper in 2007.

Chris

AV Options LLC   (AVO)

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for my confusion on the matter. I realize Naim's North American distribution has changed, but I tend to associate NANA's service department as the forerunner to AV Options current operations. I'll make a point hereafter to refer to NANA and AV Options as separate entities.

I guess consumers on the s/h market often lump all the green power strips into the same category, be they NANA, CablePro, Noisetrappers or whatever. The important point being that I've found the basic Wiremold provides a more coherent sound to the former green power strip I owned. In that regard, I think AV Options is selling/endorsing a worthy power strip for Naim gear in the North American market.

Since the OP had two components best bet is to stick them both into the wall -

use the wall socket that avoptions sells

or

do a search for porter port hubell 

or get something by oyaide / those sound smoother.

MangoMonkey posted:

I've gone from the audience pdc to stock wiremold / and don't miss the audience.

here's a suggestion which is worth trying out / get a Tripp-lite isobar ultra surge protector. It has 40-80db of Emi/rfi filtering and costs about $50 at the biggest us online retailer based in Seattle.

Stick everything but the amp into it.

the amp goes straight into the wall.

if you don't like it, you can send it back.

thats my current setup.

Since my system is always on, I mostly leave everything hooked up to the Tripp lite - the family usee the system all the time but  could care less for 'dynamics' or whatever is supposedly compromised by power strips. For dedicated listening sessions I hook up the poweramp straight to the  wall.

Having said that, I do Intend to try the super wiremold at some point. Not sure why avoptions has a no returns policy.

I have a standard Wiremold now and was wondering if I should buy another to plug in my TV,blueray,router ect or buy a surge power conditioner for those components.

Hubbell sells another duplex which is more of a decorative IG2182WA and comes in white and is to exact spec as the Hubbell IG8200/IG8300 "minus the cryo that is applied" by others

One question -- for those who go the 'dedicated spur' route . . . how do you handle the need to connect multiple devices to the mains?  I would think that a power strip of some sort would still be necessary, unless you have the electrician install 6 or 8 or how-many-ever outlets into your wall.  It seems that a typical separates system needs usually at least 6 outlets between pre, power amp, power supplies, a source or two, power supplies, etc.  Do you have the electrician install a dedicated spur and 6 outlets or more in your wall?

Bart posted:

One question -- for those who go the 'dedicated spur' route . . . how do you handle the need to connect multiple devices to the mains?  I would think that a power strip of some sort would still be necessary, unless you have the electrician install 6 or 8 or how-many-ever outlets into your wall.  It seems that a typical separates system needs usually at least 6 outlets between pre, power amp, power supplies, a source or two, power supplies, etc.  Do you have the electrician install a dedicated spur and 6 outlets or more in your wall?

I have enough sockets due to presently only needing 4,

so i have 2 x dedicated radial circuits, each one going to an unswitched double socket.

However, if i was challenged by too many plugs and not enough sockets [or perhaps was in rented accommodation and couldn't have a dedicated supply]  i wouldn't hesitate to use a faithful old Maplins plug...

They have the advantage of allowing the user to choose the number of leads.

* I've absolutely no idea if they allow them, or supply them in the USA.

But i wish the audio manufacturers such as Naim Audio [hint, hint] don't produce a proper job 'Powerline' quality hydra plug,

even a two into one would be a very useful product that would be in great demand - and sell : )

Debs

Wireworld Matrix V2 has worked wonderfully for me. I recently compared it with Furutech e-TP60 and MusicLine (German distributor for Naim) power block and Matrix came out as a winner. There's many threads about this subject, I recommend using search function. I also experimented with Naim Powerline as the lead from wall to Matrix but decided to stick with stock Naim power cable. Powerline brought some authority and more low end to the sound but IMO the balance suffered and I lost some clarity from the sound. Stock cables all the way here. 

Bart posted:

One question -- for those who go the 'dedicated spur' route . . . how do you handle the need to connect multiple devices to the mains?  I would think that a power strip of some sort would still be necessary, unless you have the electrician install 6 or 8 or how-many-ever outlets into your wall.  It seems that a typical separates system needs usually at least 6 outlets between pre, power amp, power supplies, a source or two, power supplies, etc.  Do you have the electrician install a dedicated spur and 6 outlets or more in your wall?

Bart, I think Jay Coleman & Guy007 have nailed it on the head. Plus I think this guys are speaking from experience, unlike myself! But Being an Active Fan I had the same question, and my plan of attack is the following:

Hope that was helpful! 

Bart posted:

One question -- for those who go the 'dedicated spur' route . . . how do you handle the need to connect multiple devices to the mains?  I would think that a power strip of some sort would still be necessary, unless you have the electrician install 6 or 8 or how-many-ever outlets into your wall.  It seems that a typical separates system needs usually at least 6 outlets between pre, power amp, power supplies, a source or two, power supplies, etc.  Do you have the electrician install a dedicated spur and 6 outlets or more in your wall?

One of the reasons that I chose my system rather than similarly priced alternatives is that has only two mains plugs, which works perfectly with the double socket on my dedicated mains. If you have more than two plugs the options are having more sockets, using a mains block, a hydra or a plug that can take several wires.  

From my experience, I strongly recommend the Audience AR6 PDC, the best upgrade I have had in my system. I was using a standard wiremold first with Furutech GTX Rhodium receptacles, still when I added the AR6 PDC, it was night and day. A bit pricey but I was lucky I got a great deal on a used one.