Supercap vs Hicap DR on 282 and 252 questions

Posted by: analogmusic on 24 June 2016

Hello all,

Thinking about this one for a long time now, and have read all the threads on this. So apologies for adding yet another one...

the Majority of 282 owners who did the upgrade say that indeed it is an upgrade, (and I have spoken personally to many forum 282 owners, thank you very much for your time)...

The reason I am hesitating is the following

1) it will tempt me towards a 252, and that is not on my planned path. I would much rather own a 552.

2) The price of a brand new SCDR is very expensive, and then it cannot be fully used on a 282

3) Richard Dane, whose ears I trust, always told me source first, yes, still,  source first even before 552/500 ! 

4) I don't have the chance to try a SC on my 282. It is a pretty exotic item for where I live.

5) I did try 2 hicaps on my 282, and noise floor was down, bigger soundstage, better controlled bass. But the earthing is not as good on 2 Hicaps/282 as a Supercap/282

6) So spend 4200 GBP on a Supercap DR, or look for a used 552? Not that many around though.

7) Apparently the 252 is more fluid and less mechanical than 282, but too many trusted ears here say that the boogie factor can be found on 282/HCR, 282/SC, 272/XPS or 552 (also the others like Uq, Uniti etc, etc) , BUT for some odd reason, it seems that only 252 has many doubters. 

8) as Richard Dane said, the 252 is fine, and the problem, if any, is with that Burndy either being too tight or too loose. This has been confirmed by another dealer who said anyone who finds 252 not satisfactory is because of installation problem.

9) I own a Hugo, which is quite a fluid and musical source, so maybe that balance of 282/HCDR and Hugo is the right one, and anything else would spoil the magic (which again is personal)

10) I bought my 282 and 250 DR without even hearing them, and somehow I have faith in Naim, they simply could not make 252 worse then 282 in the boogie department? 

Sorry for rambling on, I know we all have other thing to think about like Brexit, and all, but Naim keeps us motivated and engaged, what would life be without the Naim constant upgrade path 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 25 June 2016 by Alan Willby

Hi Analogue

I've made these changes in the last few years. SCDR on the 282 was a real improvement (all the usual stuff) over 2*HC (non DR) - as would be expected. Worth the money - only you can judge. 252 in place of 282 for me was also a real improvement - but it is also different. For example it showed up a small buzz in one of my speaker bass units. Not sure if that is because the bass is deeper or more powerful but it demonstrated that something was different. As many have said in posts on here the 282 probably has more more of a 'boogie/bouncy' factor compared to a 252 but there is no doubt in my mind that the latter is more truthful to the music/recording and delivered more detail and finesse. You have to judge if that is for you. If you have a 552 in mind though the SC is a waste of money and without it you cannot power a 252 - so you have a bit of a decision on you hands. Just in case I have never heard a 552 as I have no intention of spending that sort of money on hi-fi (i.e a 500 system).

Posted on: 25 June 2016 by GraemeH

I replaced the HCDR for a S/H SCAP2 on my 282 recently. Thoroughly recommended.

G

Posted on: 25 June 2016 by Pcd

I have a new 252 based system  being installed  next week. The demo I had started with a NDX/XPS DR into a 282,Supercap DR and a 250 DR speakers were Spendor D7s all stock Naim cables this sounded absolutely stunning.

The dealer then changed the 282 for a 252 the 252 just sounded far better in the context of this system it was simply awesome but you must listen for yourself and decide but for me it was a no brainer, can't wait for Wednesday afternoon when it will be up and running just switched the old Olive kit off to sort out  wiring etc really enjoyed this for over twenty years but it time to move on.

Posted on: 25 June 2016 by hungryhalibut

It's simple - if you want a 552, get a 552. If you get a 252/Supercap you'll only lose money later. 

Posted on: 25 June 2016 by ryder.
Another suggestion. Dynaudio Confidence C2 if you like the Focus 260?
Posted on: 25 June 2016 by CharlieP

The Supercap (olive in my case) transforms the 282.  If you buy used, you can sell it on for little loss when you have saved for a 552.  But you will enjoy your music so much more in the mean time.

Charlie

Posted on: 26 June 2016 by badlands

Get a 300 DR, and be done. I see you have new speakers, the Focus line really needs at least a 300 to do them justice.

Posted on: 26 June 2016 by whsturm

In terms of (9) I run a Hugo into a 252 having upgraded from a 282 via the intermediate step of adding a Supercap first (it's useful that you can upgrade in steps with Naim architecture - much more 'wallet friendly'!). To my ears the Hugo/252 works very well, the natural sound of the Hugo playing well through the 'neutral' 252 with much more detail. Less bass quantity than the 282 but deeper and more timbre to individual drum notes. I haven't heard a 552 but, to be honest, I'm happy with the 252 and have no desire to chase further diminishing returns...just enjoying the music. Whether any upgrade is worth the price is, of course, a very individual choice. 

Posted on: 26 June 2016 by Adam Zielinski

I moved from 282 to 252 (Analogue knows my story very well ) - love it to bits!

But - my advice for today (for whatever it's worth) is: leave 282 and a HiCap in place and get a good analogue source in place, to hear that analogue magic. Wait another 3-4 months - if new pre-amps start appearing the older ones like 552 may come to a market at more reasonable prices.

Adam

Posted on: 26 June 2016 by shahar

Can you explain what do you meen by the earthing is not as good with 2 hicaps as with supercup? Thanks... 

Posted on: 26 June 2016 by Allante93
shahar posted:

Can you explain what do you meen by the earthing is not as good with 2 hicaps as with supercup? Thanks... 

Analog Posted:

5) I did try 2 hicaps on my 282, and noise floor was down, bigger soundstage, better controlled bass. But the earthing is not as good on 2 Hicaps/282 as a Supercap/282

Yes I'm curious too! 

Alway nice to learn something!