Windows 10 "Anniversary" Update.
Posted by: Mike-B on 29 June 2016
In case you've not heard, MS announced today that the Windows 10 "Anniversary" update will be available from 2nd August. The blurb says its the biggest Windows 10 updates yet and will include a lot of new features.
The other info is the MS free Win-10 update for old versions of Windows expires on 29th July, after that you will have to pay & I also hear support for the old pre Win-10 revisions is to be phased out.
Mike-B posted:In case you've not heard, MS announced today that the Windows 10 "Anniversary" update will be available from 2nd August. The blurb says its the biggest Windows 10 updates yet and will include a lot of new features.
The other info is the MS free Win-10 update for old versions of Windows expires on 29th July, after that you will have to pay & I also hear support for the old pre Win-10 revisions is to be phased out.
Oh dear I am still on Window 7..?
Time to move !!!! (???) Problem is if you have Win-7 its more than possible your PC/Laptop doesn't have enough in the engine room for Win-10. If thats the situation it's way past time for new hardware.
Time to explore the dark side of the moon and move to Apple.
They are boring - they just work all the time.
Mike-B posted:Time to move !!!! (???) Problem is if you have Win-7 its more than possible your PC/Laptop doesn't have enough in the engine room for Win-10. If thats the situation it's way past time for new hardware.
You don’t need a fast processor or that much RAM for Windows 10 (1 ghz and 1gb for 32 bit, 2gb for 64 bit). There’s more chance the software you want run will need a higher spec.
I took advantage of the free upgrades and moved from W7/32bit to W10/64bit, the main reason was I wanted to use DXO photo processing software and this doesn’t run on any Windows 32 bit OS. It took quite a bit of time to get there, but I must say the installation of W10/64 was very smooth, no searching/loading drivers etc, when it finished install, everything connected to the PC worked fine.
Don’t think I’ll bother with the anniversary upgrade if it only includes more features, I’ve switched off most of the features that came with W10.
Adam Zielinski posted:Time to explore the dark side of the moon and move to Apple.
They are boring - they just work all the time.
Really, I seen a couple of members complaining about their apples in the past week alone.
fatcat posted:You don’t need a fast processor or that much RAM for Windows 10 (1 ghz and 1gb for 32 bit, 2gb for 64 bit). There’s more chance the software you want run will need a higher spec.
Don’t think I’ll bother with the anniversary upgrade if it only includes more features, I’ve switched off most of the features that came with W10.
Problem is a lot of laptops loaded with Win-7 in those days did not have much grunt. My wife had one & the MS web check wouldn't allow it. I forced it & it was a pain.
I believe in keeping right up to date, but no need to run anything you don't need - & me too have most of the W-10 stuff switched off
fatcat posted:Adam Zielinski posted:Time to explore the dark side of the moon and move to Apple.
They are boring - they just work all the time.
Really, I seen a couple of members complaining about their apples in the past week alone.
True - so have I. But truth be told, I don't get how they ended up in this mess - the explanations they were giving, meant that the system implementation was being complicated for no particular reason. I hate to say it, but it seems as it was set up by someone who did not really understand how the end system should run.
Mac are relatively fool proof - a lot of features are designed and built in and cannot be altered. The objective is that a user cannot mess it up. That is one of the reasons why the sysems built around Apple products are so stable.
Mike-B posted:Problem is a lot of laptops loaded with Win-7 in those days did not have much grunt. My wife had one & the MS web check wouldn't allow it. I forced it & it was a pain.
I see what you mean regarding a laptop, my wife has a samsung notebook (1.2ghz/2gb) with windows 7 starter, it's rediculously slow. She kept getting a message to upgrade to W10, but I told her to ignore it.
(Hope Adam doesn't notice this. )
Adam Zielinski posted:Mac are relatively fool proof - a lot of features are designed and built in and cannot be altered. The objective is that a user cannot mess it up. That is one of the reasons why the sysems built around Apple products are so stable.
I think windows 10 has move in this direction, as I stated earlier, when I installed W10 every piece of equipment connected to it worked and all the software worked. No need to set up anything.
It is possible to alter settings, but MS have made it more difficult/frustrating to get to places that were very easy to get to in XP or 7.
fatcat posted:Mike-B posted:Problem is a lot of laptops loaded with Win-7 in those days did not have much grunt. My wife had one & the MS web check wouldn't allow it. I forced it & it was a pain.
I see what you mean regarding a laptop, my wife has a samsung notebook (1.2ghz/2gb) with windows 7 starter, it's rediculously slow. She kept getting a message to upgrade to W10, but I told her to ignore it.
(Hope Adam doesn't notice this. )
Noticed .... Still beats me why people choose to torture themselves with, what essentially is a legalised virus called Windows...
In my view W10 is the best Windows operating system yet, it's stable, connects nicely with everything and they have got the balance right with the start menu etc. The only irritating thing is the fact that you can't control windows updates and pick and choose which you want effectively.
dayjay posted:In my view W10 is the best Windows operating system yet, it's stable, connects nicely with everything and they have got the balance right with the start menu etc. The only irritating thing is the fact that you can't control windows updates and pick and choose which you want effectively.
+1
Nice to be on your side again after our opposition in the 'Sleepwalking' thread.
I have Win 10 pro, so can selectively apply updates if I choose, but more often than not I simply let the updates go ahead because they tend to be trouble free.
My only gripe with Win 10 is the occasional glitch with Microsoft Edge, but of course the problem here may lie with the website designers.
Adam Zielinski posted:Time to explore the dark side of the moon and move to Apple.
They are boring - they just work all the time.
Possibly so most of the time, until Apple decide to bring out a new operating system that is not backwards compatible.
dayjay posted:The only irritating thing is the fact that you can't control windows updates and pick and choose which you want effectively.
They have assumed control, they have assumed control, they have assumed control.
But have they, as Hmack advised, the pro version has a defer update option, but to be honest I haven't used it myself.
A tip for anybody thinking of building a PC and installing W10. If you buy W7 Pro 32bit, you can upgrade to W10 Pro 64 bit. But, if you buy W7 Home you can only uprade to W10 Home.
Noticed .... Still beats me why people choose to torture themselves with, what essentially is a legalised virus called Windows...
Because unless you are capable of setting up a Linux system, the only alternative is a locked down restrictive overpriced underpowered uninteroperable (is that a word?) POS that won't run anything you have that was written more than a year or so ago.
The worst problem with Windows 10 is the inability to block the installation of device drivers supplied by Microsoft (only 3rd party device drivers can be blocked).
My laptop works fine with Win 10, as does my Win 7 desktop... until MS Update decides that it know better than I do what my NIC is. It then replaces the perfectly stable Atheros driver with a MS supplied driver that blue-screens on boot, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP IT DOING IT. Now that's just crap.
I have a retail licence for Win 7 Home Premium x64, so my copy of Win 10 from the upgrade is also a retail licence. So when the AMD Zen processor is released I'll upgrade my CPU, MB and RAM, and the new kit should be OK. I still have a preference for Win 7 as it's just as stable and it's more controllable, but Win 10 is perfectly usable quite OK (unlike the disaster that was Win 8).
Pev posted:Noticed .... Still beats me why people choose to torture themselves with, what essentially is a legalised virus called Windows...
Because unless you are capable of setting up a Linux system, the only alternative is a locked down restrictive overpriced underpowered uninteroperable (is that a word?) POS that won't run anything you have that was written more than a year or so ago.
Add to that the version of Free BSD that Apple use is appallingly out of date...
Actually I disagree with the under-powered, Apple's top spec stuff is pretty much the same as any top-line PC, it just costs 50% more!
But restrictive - yes, and that's why they were thrown out of the Open Software Foundation, despite claiming to be Open Source.
As for backward compatibility, Win 10 runs most (but not absolutely all) MS compatible applications, even most of the ancient stuff; with just three main exceptions, all security related:
1 DOS applications that directly access hardware in a way that would represent a security risk
2 Win16 applications (as they all inherently expose security risks)
3 Win32 & Win64 applications that make explicit calls to deprecated interfaces (security is the usual reason for deprecating an interface rather than mapping it to the new interface by defaulting the additional parameters).
That's actually remarkably good customer service.
Any advice, I have Windows 7, I upgrade ...I avoided so far given the horror stories on the upgrade ?
I still have a PC with Windows XP. I have no intention of upgrading to windows 10. My main PCs are windows 7.
Tried Win 10 upgrade once and luckily was able to uninstall it as I couldn't get logged in to the system to do anything.
Bert Schurink posted:Any advice, I have Windows 7, I upgrade ...I avoided so far given the horror stories on the upgrade ?
How recent is the PC? The more recent the less likely you are to have trouble. Have you tried the online compatibility checker?
I know it's a pain, but ensure you have the Win 7 disk and product key, back up everything (including all your install packs) and then try the upgrade. Before deciding, you must allow it to finish all Windows updates to Win 10 (takes a few days and you must include update 1511). If the worst comes to the worst you can re-install Win 7.
Mostly, it just works.