NAC N372
Posted by: greekspec2 on 22 July 2016
I was curious if there were any insiders on here that had a hunch if Naim was planning on releasing a new 2 box pre-amp streaming to replace the N272?
So should i not buy a 555ps? My main idea for 555 instead of xps was 372 in future
Hungryhalibut posted:greekspec2 posted:Adam Zielinski posted:greekspec2 posted:I did not know that the 500 series casework came standard finish with brushed finish as an option or I'm wrong?Yes - it's actually cheaper that way.
I do not see it listed it's an option, or maybe only a EU option
They can't even get the picture of the 272 right, so you can hardly expect them to show the prices of the two finishes for the 555PS. Never mind what the site says, the 555PS is available in fully brushed (to match theCD555) and standard finishes. The latter is cheaper.
I caught that, so the pricing I see for CD555 DR is for the standard finish?
I can't believe a CD555DR without VAT is only $4785 USD and that same unit is $12995 USD bought from any NA dist
Hungryhalibut posted:I still wonder if the introduction of the 372 will mean that the 202, 282 and 252 can be retired. With the streaming preamps I don't see the need for standalone preamps. With the introduction of the 272, I bet 202 and 282 sales have fallen through the floor. The 272 may not be quite as good as the 282, but it's close enough not the matter. If Naim went this route, the napsc, Hicap and Supercap could also be retired.
Talking to a Naim dealer yesterday the view was that 202 sales had been hit by both SN and 272 but 282 was still "very buoyant".
And of course it's your judgement that 272 performance is close to 282. Really depends on configuration of each.
372/555PS/250DR would definitely have me thinking about moving from my current SN2/HCDR/NDS/555.
Will it ultimately be the right move???
Hungryhalibut posted:I still wonder if the introduction of the 372 will mean that the 202, 282 and 252 can be retired. With the streaming preamps I don't see the need for standalone preamps. With the introduction of the 272, I bet 202 and 282 sales have fallen through the floor. The 272 may not be quite as good as the 282, but it's close enough not the matter. If Naim went this route, the napsc, Hicap and Supercap could also be retired.
I hope not. When I eventually upgrade I will be doing so because I want the best quality sound I can afford, I don't want to compromise that for a streamer that I won't use although I can fully see why a streaming pre would be popular with lots of people. Hopefully there will be room for both types to keep everyone happy.
They will continue to build and market what they can sell for an acceptable profit. Past that I wouldn't hope for or bet on anything.
I'd take an integrated NDS/552 if suitably updated from their current spec.
Hope they announce a lumina ,or rather a super lumina light speaker cable.
For the bottom line of classic separates.
About time that lesson learnt from the no-compromise line to be applied to lesser but not least components.
Hungryhalibut posted:With the streaming preamps I don't see the need for standalone preamps.
I don't see the need for streaming preamps 
Streaming preamps are of lesser quality .
152xs won't be discontinued because of 172XS,actually I would rate this latter even inferior to XS integrated.
Same as with 272 , why replace a 202 with it when it is Head and shouders above it.
not to mention people Who aren T into anything Naim makes but preamps.
Or people Who already have an analog rig and have lost stageline facility.
naim is not only Naim addicted, it s a worldwide brand.
Where is this nonsense coming from? 202 head and shoulders above the 272? Really?
From an analog and digital Addict.
who, luckily ,hasn T fallen into the hype trap.
But since anyone has its own way to liten to music, then I suggest a simple look at Naim price list which shoukd easily help many come back to reality.
Hungryhalibut posted:I still wonder if the introduction of the 372 will mean that the 202, 282 and 252 can be retired. With the streaming preamps I don't see the need for standalone preamps. With the introduction of the 272, I bet 202 and 282 sales have fallen through the floor. The 272 may not be quite as good as the 282, but it's close enough not the matter. If Naim went this route, the napsc, Hicap and Supercap could also be retired.
I just joined the forum in January of 2015, coming from the world of Linn, there idealogy was get the best pre amp you can afford, not to much to say about the Source, LP 12 without a doubt!
Hence, my task was, where do I enter the world of Naim, 202, 282 or, 252 the 552 was out of my league and price range.
But paraphrasing, one gentleman put it like this :
" I've had 282, 252, and 552, and if I had to do it all over again, I go straight for an 282 along with a SC, and enjoy for a good while, until a 2nd hand 552 came along, the 552 is just right!
The 282 may not resolve everything, but so close, It won't matter.""
I'm not sure, but I guess HH, and others are saying the performance is so close, that it really won't matter.
But remember, this is a Naim Forum, and Simon is on point, Naim's preference has always been with the decoupled units.
But if one is into the world of Streaming & a minimum Black Box count:
If it ain't a 272, it just won't do!
The 4 box wonder:
272--+XPSDR--+250DR--+Fraim
The ultimate 4 box wonder:
272--+555PS--+300DR--+Fraim
The Hugo is Mobile.
Just my two cents.
Allante93!
Allante93 posted:Naim's preference has always been with the decoupled units.
Apart from DACs which should be kept as close as possible to the musical; source and in the same box.
Until they came out with separate DACs.
Although it doesn't apply to the NDS.
Trust your ears.
HH and guys. Let's say a dem was set up to compare say 272/XPS/200 vs NDX/XPS/202/200 - I'm sure it's been done - and say 10 of us partipated.
For sure there would no doubt be discernible differences but quite likely the extent of those differences would not be clear cut and ultimately as ever the judgements would be subjective.
For some the 202 may be miles ahead as a pre over the 272 and for others the 272 may be as close to a 282 to make no difference.
Regards,
Lindsay
Lindsay .. Well said.. much of this is down to personal subjective preference rather than absolute measures. What is an interesting thought however is that I believe ultimately a lot of the Naim end performance tuning in product development tuning is achieved through the personal preferences of a few golden ears in Naim.. and I guess that is going to ultimately determine to some extent how the differing products sound
Whenever I listen to various Naim components, they all sound like Naim to me 
Adam Zielinski posted:Whenever I listen to various Naim components, they all sound like Naim to me
True - but there's old Naim, current Naim and probably future Naim, and the first two don't sound the same to me
I've never heard two Naim pres, powers, CPDs or streamers that sound remotely the same. The fact that upgrades don't sound like more of the same is part of the appeal of Naim for me. It's that subjectivity thing again.
I think Adam is right in a way that to me Naim components generally favour musical involvement over resolution and detail.
The Strat (Fender) posted:HH and guys. Let's say a dem was set up to compare say 272/XPS/200 vs NDX/XPS/202/200 - I'm sure it's been done - and say 10 of us partipated.
For sure there would no doubt be discernible differences but quite likely the extent of those differences would not be clear cut and ultimately as ever the judgements would be subjective.
For some the 202 may be miles ahead as a pre over the 272 and for others the 272 may be as close to a 282 to make no difference.
Regards,
Lindsay
I can fUlly understand one may prefer whichever set-up suits him well
but I don T really get how possibly a 272 would be ' close' to a 282.
It doesn T make any sense ,they have a radically ,totally different sonic signature.
Again, one could possibly choose one over the other But in no way compare them units.
same as with 202/282.
what should be understood is that Naim are building a new line , a new philosophy which runs parallel to the old route ,as ever valid.
172, 272 are just numbering to identify what in each class new tecnology brings from the consolidated know -how .
there would never be any 272 without 202 ,and not vice versa.
and yet no ditching of the old as all is about a based on implementation.
Also no PSU On 272 to justify a shift from 202 to 282 ' signature' it would be Crazy to say that, same as saying that an hicap would make any 202 sound close to 282. Better definitely than bare But not to match their sonic signature.
same happened when Superuniti borrowed SN expertise which in turn was mutuated from Classic separates.
Bear in mind that a 282 on its own is categorically NOT a preamp. It does nothing unless paired with a power source. To that end, a 282/FCXS, 282/200, 282/HCDR, and 282/SCDR are different preamps.
So comparing a 272 to a 282 is a non qualified statement.
Obvious.
there re many a 282s.
but start from 282 unit.
only
Antonio1 posted:Obvious.
there re many a 282s.
but start from 282 unit.
only
Well if only the 282 unit with no PS then a Sony Walkman beats a 282 by a wide margin by virtue of the fact that it outputs a signal and a bare 282 doesn't.
Feeling, I don T get this: why are we wasting room?