NAC N372

Antonio1 posted:

Feeling, I don T get this: why are we wasting room?

Because it fills up a few minutes at the weekend mainly. I'm currently sipping a Hendricks and tonic waiting for the priory to start lunch service.

To quote the Pythons...'It's getting silly now'.

G

feeling_zen posted:

Bear in mind that a 282 on its own is categorically NOT a preamp. It does nothing unless paired with a power source. To that end, a 282/FCXS, 282/200, 282/HCDR, and 282/SCDR are different preamps. 

So comparing a 272 to a 282 is a non qualified statement. 

Very true. Likewise, there are 4 different ways to power a 272. This argument could go round in circles fot ever. 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

I still wonder if the introduction of the 372 will mean that the 202, 282 and 252 can be retired. With the streaming preamps I don't see the need for standalone preamps. With the introduction of the 272, I bet 202 and 282 sales have fallen through the floor. The 272 may not be quite as good as the 282, but it's close enough not the matter. If Naim went this route, the napsc, Hicap and Supercap could also be retired. 

Yes, if the 372 had seperate preamp box and more inputs it could be interesting.. It might be the SuperCap is a more suited PSU for such a system possibly. 

However I'd be suprised if the 272 and 172 has affected 202 and 282 sales much .. Perhaps more the other integrateds.. if sales drop to a point Naim quite quickly cull.we have seen this a few times over the last few years.

Well, Banannahead, it looks like you're on point again.

" I think that it's funny that people think that a 372 would be a replacement to a 272. Have Naim ever had such a policy? Replacing a new product so quickly with a model with a different model number."

Paraphrasing Simon, Naim's preference, has always been the decoupleization of units.

Hence, a SN2 is a fine component, but disengage it's power amp, well you get the point!

Let's face it, it's not too much that hasn't been covered on Da Forum.

(SN 2, 202, 272, 282, 252, 552)

Naim has figured it out for you!

Streaming, low  box count, low cash =272

A little more cash, and better SQ = 282

Cash no problem = S1

Personally, I think they're all fine pre amps.

Furthermore, if one is entering the world of Naim, the 272, or the 282 ain't Bad!

Out! 

Allante93!

well when Naim if they do release a N372 I would be happy to have it paired with my 300DR and Sopras  for my end game 4 box stack.

I start with the "fact" that with the 172 and 272, Naim have put in one box a preamp, streamer front end and dac.  This from a company that already sold separate preamps, streamer players, and stand-alone dacs.

If the "372" were to appear as separate boxes . . . what kind of strategy would that be?  That sounds to me like a stand-alone digital preamp, and a stand-alone streamer player (and maybe a stand alone dac).  I must be missing something.  Naim already sell stand alones . . . 

Bart posted:

I start with the "fact" that with the 172 and 272, Naim have put in one box a preamp, streamer front end and dac.  This from a company that already sold separate preamps, streamer players, and stand-alone dacs.

If the "372" were to appear as separate boxes . . . what kind of strategy would that be?  That sounds to me like a stand-alone digital preamp, and a stand-alone streamer player (and maybe a stand alone dac).  I must be missing something.  Naim already sell stand alones . . . 

 

separate meaning no built in PS like a NAC 252

greekspec2 posted:

Bart posted:

I start with the "fact" that with the 172 and 272, Naim have put in one box a preamp, streamer front end and dac.  This from a company that already sold separate preamps, streamer players, and stand-alone dacs.

If the "372" were to appear as separate boxes . . . what kind of strategy would that be?  That sounds to me like a stand-alone digital preamp, and a stand-alone streamer player (and maybe a stand alone dac).  I must be missing something.  Naim already sell stand alones . . . 

 

separate meaning no built in PS like a NAC 252

That part is easy.  My unfounded assumption is that I'd use my current 555PS on the hypothetical 372.  It seems that others were speculating and/or advocating for further separation of preamp, dac and streamer functions into separate boxes.

Bart posted:

greekspec2 posted:

Bart posted:

I start with the "fact" that with the 172 and 272, Naim have put in one box a preamp, streamer front end and dac.  This from a company that already sold separate preamps, streamer players, and stand-alone dacs.

If the "372" were to appear as separate boxes . . . what kind of strategy would that be?  That sounds to me like a stand-alone digital preamp, and a stand-alone streamer player (and maybe a stand alone dac).  I must be missing something.  Naim already sell stand alones . . . 

 

separate meaning no built in PS like a NAC 252

That part is easy.  My unfounded assumption is that I'd use my current 555PS on the hypothetical 372.  It seems that others were speculating and/or advocating for further separation of preamp, dac and streamer functions into separate boxes.

if they thought that then your correct Naim already mfg's all of those in separate components

Yes, Bart & Greekspec2

Ndx / Ndac / 555PS / 282 / 300 PS / 300 DR

That's the beauty of the 272!

4 Box wonder: 

272/Xps/250DR/Fraim

The ultimate 5 box wonder:

272/555PS/300PS/300DR/Fraim

The Superior Separate 7/ 8  Box Rig:

Nds/555PS/552/552PS/300DR/Fraim

Ndx/Ndac/555PS/282/SCDR/300DR/Fraim

Naim is marketing the 272, towards Gen. X, Y, and the Mellinniums, Future Sales!

Now for you Baby Bomers, Naim has ceased production of A long line of Active Speakers, and joined forces with Focal, what's next?

Just my two cents.

Allante93!

I love that we can argue about stuff that doesn't even exist yet, and in fact may never. It shows our adaptability and commitment to first world problems.

DrMark posted:

I love that we can argue about stuff that doesn't even exist yet, and in fact may never. It shows our adaptability and commitment to first world problems.

Come to think of it...

Companies spend zilions on consumer surveys, focus groups and other such nonsense. 

Naim has a forum - essentially within 24 hours we've designed a new product, discussed all the possible features and decided it's going to a fantastic pre-streamer 

Adam why are you referring to the Fraim as a box? (Yes it costs as much as some boxes!)

I currently have 4 1/2 boxes on a 5 level Fraim.  In my current home a 5 level Fraim is as big as I'll go. Right now its NDS, CD5XS, SN2, HC2DR, 555DR.  So conceivably I could do 372/555/250DR or 300DR.  Ive not powered on that cd player in 2+ years.  It's just shielding for the NDS as this point.

I suppose I could go traditional and not really raise the box count - NDS, 555DR, preamp + PS, 250DR.  

Dr Mark I don't think of it as arguing; more like fantasizing. 

Bart posted:

Adam why are you referring to the Fraim as a box? (Yes it costs as much as some boxes!)

I currently have 4 1/2 boxes on a 5 level Fraim.  In my current home a 5 level Fraim is as big as I'll go. Right now its NDS, CD5XS, SN2, HC2DR, 555DR.  So conceivably I could do 372/555/250DR or 300DR.  Ive not powered on that cd player in 2+ years.  It's just shielding for the NDS as this point.

I suppose I could go traditional and not really raise the box count - NDS, 555DR, preamp + PS, 250DR.  

Dr Mark I don't think of it as arguing; more like fantasizing. 

I thought the same thing but, did not want to argue

If I knew the fantasized N372 will utilize both outputs of the 555PS I pull the trigger on one and wait for the N372 to go from fantasy to production. 

Has anyone built their own 372 yet on their 3D printer?

You have no external power supply for your 272 at the moment?  If you can find a used 555 at a good price I'd pick it up if it fits your budget.  Then all you'll need to slay that mythical beast is a second Burndy.

feeling_zen posted:

Stefan Vogt posted:

The 372 is likely to come without internal PSU and without internal DAC, so that external DACs can be looped in between its upgraded streamer/SHARC section and its statement-inspired analog preamp section. The first 100 exemplars will be shipped, like the original 272's, with R/L inverted headphone channels. (-;

S.

There would be zero benefit to such a design. That is essentially an analog preamp that has been compromised with having digital signals go in and out without even the benefit of being able to use it as a full streamer necessitating 3 boxes. If you are going to compromise the design in some way, there must be some benefit to offset that.

Those who have done factory visits may have some idea of what is coming but I suspect they are bound by non disclosure.

During the factory tour I went on in April, the R&D department was strictly off limits for obvious reasons. There was also absolutely no discussion of forthcoming new products. I wouldn't expect anything else.

Bart posted:

You have no external power supply for your 272 at the moment?  If you can find a used 555 at a good price I'd pick it up if it fits your budget.  Then all you'll need to slay that mythical beast is a second Burndy.

No PS just N272/300DR/SL leads/Sopra 3

Adam Zielinski posted:

DrMark posted:

I love that we can argue about stuff that doesn't even exist yet, and in fact may never. It shows our adaptability and commitment to first world problems.

Come to think of it...

Companies spend zilions on consumer surveys, focus groups and other such nonsense. 

Naim has a forum - essentially within 24 hours we've designed a new product, discussed all the possible features and decided it's going to a fantastic pre-streamer 

Then we should all be getting a honorarium for it!

A free Powerline for everyone!

DrMark posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

DrMark posted:

I love that we can argue about stuff that doesn't even exist yet, and in fact may never. It shows our adaptability and commitment to first world problems. 

Come to think of it...

Companies spend zilions on consumer surveys, focus groups and other such nonsense. 

Naim has a forum - essentially within 24 hours we've designed a new product, discussed all the possible features and decided it's going to a fantastic pre-streamer 

Then we should all be getting a honorarium for it!

A free Powerline for everyone!

Excellent idea! I'm sure moderators are following this thread so your suggestion has been noted 

greekspec2 posted:

Bart posted:

You have no external power supply for your 272 at the moment?  If you can find a used 555 at a good price I'd pick it up if it fits your budget.  Then all you'll need to slay that mythical beast is a second Burndy.

No PS just N272/300DR/SL leads/Sopra 3

I expect that a 555PS would fit very nicely into that system  - while you wait for the 372, or perhaps 572, although that could create a casing finish dilemma  

greekspec2 posted:

I can't believe a CD555DR without VAT is only $4785 USD and that same unit is $12995 USD bought from any NA dist

more like $6200, but a good point nonetheless. we Naim fans in the States really get the shaft. here in New York, you'd add 8.5% sales tax to that $12,995, as well.

the NAC 552 is about $20,000 if ordered from the UK, and $38,000 (inc. tax) when bought from a dealer here.

just ran the numbers on a 250DR -- $3800 for US purchasers in the UK vs. $7000 plus tax here.

Is that for a 110V unit Joe?