What is it about the 282 ?
Posted by: Calum F on 09 August 2016
There seems to be a sub-culture on here in worship of the 282, I have a 200/202/HCDR/NAPSC and think the 282 for £ 4400 is not necessarily a VFM upgrade? Aside from the extra buttons am I missing something?
feeling_zen posted:Antonio1 posted:Never consider 282 over the 'lesser' 202 if you DON'T own
N.1 hicap at tthe very minimum with 200
A 250 'perspective' and a great source.
missing just one of the above makes 202 the best possible VFM ever with a matching NAPSC and hicapDR .
Not sure I agree with that. A 282/200 works extremely well and is still a large step over a 202/200. And not a HC or 250 in sight.
It is much better with a HC/250 but that is also an extra 3K GBP. Many who've heard a simple 282/200 probably feel it is excellent value.
Even more the case now I should imagine with DR technology in the NAP 200 - at least the bit that powers the pre.
Indeed, the 282/200 is an oft-overlooked option which works very well, especially with the 200DR. The only caveat is that you need to exercise some caution when matching speakers since the amp has so much to do.
Frank.
Whats the main difference, latest Nac 82 vs Nac 282 apart from other cabinet, phonostage option inside 82 and pricing ?
You can T realise how good is a 282 until you go to 250 set-up.
Regarding speaker matching , agree, is another limiting factor in the whole scheme of things (stayin with a 200)
As for 200DR , it s not a 'Sobstitute' for Hicap, if sellers do make you believe so, stand clear of.
Frank Abela posted:Indeed, the 282/200 is an oft-overlooked option which works very well, especially with the 200DR. The only caveat is that you need to exercise some caution when matching speakers since the amp has so much to do.
Frank.
I've had the opportunity to live with both amps, 200, and the 250.2, both incorporated within a 282 bi-amped Briks system.
I've always been advised, that the better amp should reside on the tweeter, but felt that the regulated 250.2 would handle the task of driving both Low and Mid-ranged drivers, than the 200.
After extensive comparison, switching the duties of both amps, I concluded, that the 250.2 out performed the none-regulated 200.
Drastically? No. Subtle? Yes.
The 250.2 allowed me to reach volumes of 10, even 11 o'clock when clowning! But I could hear a slight strain, when the 200 was asked to drive both drivers above 9.5.
Funny thing, even though the 250.2 out performed the 200, extensive volume levels for an hour, or so, would trigger the thermo-protection mode, and shut the 250.2 down !
With the 200, being a none-regulated amp, it would slip on its duties, but never no heating problems. But as it was pointed out, that's a lot cramed in the casing, of a 250.2.
Hint 300 DR!
Hence, the caveat, that Frank alluded to!
Nearly approaching a year, no heating problems with 3 x 250.2s, next stop active Briks!
But Frankly, Frank, I think the 200 is an admirable amp, especially if the speakers aren't that demanding!
Allante93!
from my perspective - had 202/200 went to a well and trusted dealer in Liecester area and asked them to demo 282/250DR/XPSDR to add to my current system of NDX/202/HCDR/200
the difference in the musical presentation of the 282 is worth the upgrade to be honest, certainly works well with 200 but again the 250 DR added that something more, again as you would hope it should which I guess it what NAIM wants - we all have different views on the best system - it then comes down to budget and how you feel it works in your house
202 worked really well but the 282 does it that much better but so it should its price point, next stop for me is 250DR then XPSDR or 555
the sometimes never ending upgrade but love the 282 that little bit more
feeling_zen posted:It is a rather fine preamp. Oddly enough, never been reviewed in the press as far as I know. I love mine extremely.
I will say this though. It needs more careful partnering with speakers than
either the 202 below it or the 252 above it due to it's upfront nature.
It is not bright or brash but it's signature is not quite as neutral as the others. With the right system, it is the last preamp you will ever need.
It is all relative though. A Naim system with a 282 in it is still much harder to find a poor speaker match than other manufacturer's amps.
Haven't heard it put like that, I haven't had the opportunity, to demo, or live with either of the aforementioned preamps.
When I joined the Forum, it was the Boogie Factor, that was associated with the 282.
Preference, if one leans towards Classical music, perhaps the 282 isn't your cup of tea!
Now, Rock, Altenative, Jazz, and Blues, that's another story!
Middle of the road, Marque Separates! 282.
Enjoy your Music!
Allante93!
Allante93 posted:feeling_zen posted:It is a rather fine preamp. Oddly enough, never been reviewed in the press as far as I know. I love mine extremely.
I will say this though. It needs more careful partnering with speakers than
either the 202 below it or the 252 above it due to it's upfront nature.
It is not bright or brash but it's signature is not quite as neutral as the others. With the right system, it is the last preamp you will ever need.
It is all relative though. A Naim system with a 282 in it is still much harder to find a poor speaker match than other manufacturer's amps.
Haven't heard it put like that, I haven't had the opportunity, to demo, or live with either of the aforementioned preamps.
When I joined the Forum, it was the Boogie Factor, that was associated with the 282.
Preference, if one leans towards Classical music, perhaps the 282 isn't your cup of tea!
Now, Rock, Altenative, Jazz, and Blues, that's another story!
Middle of the road, Marque Separates! 282.
Enjoy your Music!
Allante93!
Oh dunno. I think the 282 can be superb at everything if the system is balanced right. There are two schools of thought. The one that says that certain systems or components excell at some genres more than others and the other that says if the former is true then the system has a problem. It should excell equally in all areas.
Not saying which is right but saying which I beleive in. The latter. A well balanced system should have no deficiences dependent on genre and I think the 282 excells with everything given the right balance of components. Both views are equally controversial depending on what you beleive. Plenty on the forum have differenct sources for different types of music. I don't agree with that but it doesn't mean it's wrong either.
Since you asked bout the 250DR, There is a 1 week write up in the other thread. However, my impending change in speakers is proving to be a problem. SWMBO has expressed a strong sentimental attachement to the 23s and has all but forbidden me to sell them because she listened to them all through pregnancy and has formed an irrational attachement to them.
b_lund posted:Whats the main difference, latest Nac 82 vs Nac 282 apart from other cabinet, phonostage option inside 82 and pricing ?
The circuit. It's different.
Antonio1 posted:You can T realise how good is a 282 until you go to 250 set-up.
Regarding speaker matching , agree, is another limiting factor in the whole scheme of things (stayin with a 200)
As for 200DR , it s not a 'Sobstitute' for Hicap, if sellers do make you believe so, stand clear of.
I disagree. If you are sympathetic in your speaker choice and have a damn good front end, then the 282/200 makes a lot of sense, especially with the 200DR. Sure, it's no Hicap, but with a pair of Kudos X3s or Super 10s it's a great solution.
Frank.
disagree with Antonio1.
282/200 is a fine amplifier, I was very happy with it.
Allante93 posted:When I joined the Forum, it was the Boogie Factor, that was associated with the 282.
Preference, if one leans towards Classical music, perhaps the 282 isn't your cup of tea!
Now, Rock, Altenative, Jazz, and Blues, that's another story!
Allante93!
Aha - a myth I frequently here on other fora is that Naim doesn't do classical - well that's rubbish a good hi-fi is a good hi-fi regardless of genre imo.
Now okay the 252/300 is politer and more mature (yes an improvement) than the 282/250 but having a Roksan Xerxes/CDS3/282/250/Dyn Contour 1,8 configuration I clearly like a more vibrant presentation but I would invite anyone to come and listen to Beethoven's Eroica on my system.
Regards,
Lindsay
Frank Abela posted:Antonio1 posted:You can T realise how good is a 282 until you go to 250 set-up.
Regarding speaker matching , agree, is another limiting factor in the whole scheme of things (stayin with a 200)
As for 200DR , it s not a 'Sobstitute' for Hicap, if sellers do make you believe so, stand clear of.
I disagree. If you are sympathetic in your speaker choice and have a damn good front end, then the 282/200 makes a lot of sense, especially with the 200DR. Sure, it's no Hicap, but with a pair of Kudos X3s or Super 10s it's a great solution.
Frank.
Don T doubt it.