Super Uniti and NAP250DR

Yes - don't bother with bi-amping.  If you really like what 250 does, then sell your SuperUniti and get a N272

Adam Zielinski posted:

Yes - don't bother with bi-amping.  If you really like what 250 does, then sell your SuperUniti and get a N272

+1

+1. The SU also sounds great hooked up with the 250DR conventionally, but 272 adds more finesse.

Thx for replies guys!

I must say that SU and 250 biamped, sounds better then 250 as Poweramp and SU as preamp. But, as you said, I should try 272 and 250! Maybe thats the way?

Superuniti costs £3675; 272 + 250 costs £6695 - they bloody well should sound better! 

Then you'll wonder about  adding an XPS to the 272, another £3635! I'd think hard before you start on that road - I ended up with 8 Naim boxes before I changed to my SU and I'm still happy with it.

The streaming section of the SU is apparently not as good as on N272

it isn't, heard SU into 250 DR and then 272 into 250 DR, the 272 was better.

analogmusic posted:

it isn't, heard SU into 250 DR and then 272 into 250 DR, the 272 was better.

Did you maybe tried to Bi-Amp SU and 250DR, and compere this to 272 preamp and 250DR power amp combo?

I am sure by all the posts, that 272 and 250 sounds better then SU and 250DR. As PEV mentioned 272 preamp cost almost as SU, wich is integreted amp, so yes, I presume it has better preamp than SU .

But since I already have SU, and actually it sounds much better (by my opinion ) with Sonus Faber biamped with 250DR, than used only as preamp and 250 as power amp. I am curios is it worthy replacing SU with 272?

There is only one way to find out - test it 

This defiantly makes sense!

to my ears yes it is entirely worth replacing SU with 272.

The 272 is more refined, less digital glare, sounds hi-end. I could not live with SU/250 after hearing 272/250

 The SU is fine, until you hear the 272.

Then you will sell the SU and buy the 272.

So don't listen  to 272 if you aren't prepared to do this.

I suppose it is all relative, the bare SU sounds fine, until you spend a huge amount of money on a 272/250 DR to improve on it.

That is expected, given the amount of money spent.

It would be quite sad if it weren't so. You get what you pay for in the Naim world.

The great thing about Naim is that all their products have the core musical values, and as you pay more you get more refinement, power, more natural, more treble and bass extension, better image, better soundstage, more resolution, and more of what you love about Naim in the first place.

Naim have always said that both biwiring and passive biamping is not recommended with their gear, but you're not the first person to post here recently saying you found otherwise. If it sounds better to you, that's all that matters.

I'm trying not to get sucked into the 'spend more money' recommendations, but a 250 is capable of doing justice to a much better source than a SU ......272......NDX........NDS......how fat is your wallet?!

You're the best judge. If you're happy bi-amping with those speakers in your own room then just stick with it for the time being. There's nothing wrong with that. 

Of course everyone is going to tell you the 272 is better which it probably is but you would have to borrow one and see for yourself. 

I'm running an SU through a 300dr and am enjoying it very much. I'm building my system slowly, getting used to and enjoying each step forwards so as not to rush into anything (just waiting for the 372 in other words).

i would avoid bi-wiring due to the impact on timing and PRAT. it may sound good initially but soon you hopefully will realise something doesn't sound right. Naim is all about getting the musical rhythm and timing right, why mess with that ? 

Naim know their kit very well and it pays (musically) to follow their advice to the letter.

Drewy posted:

You're the best judge. If you're happy bi-amping with those speakers in your own room then just stick with it for the time being. There's nothing wrong with that. 

Of course everyone is going to tell you the 272 is better which it probably is but you would have to borrow one and see for yourself. 

 

+1

Trust in your ears and warning about usual theories

I started my Naim journey with a SU. Loved it. Got a used 250.2 (non DR)... tried bi-amping. It was a disjointed stew of oddness to my ears. And the speaker cable hell was non too enjoyable either.

Then disabled the SU amp and ran the system with SU as a preamp / DAC, 250.2 for amplification. Was a significant all round improvement.... which led me slowly down the path towards separates.

"....a disjointed stew of oddness to my ears. And the speaker cable hell was non too enjoyable either."

A very good description of what bi-amping can do!

G

I too started with a SuperUniti - still use it every day.

The other systems got slightly out of control though...