Calling NAC 282 / HCDR / NAP 200 Owners Who Have Upgraded To NAP 250 DR

ryder. posted:

The NAP 200 sounds more diffused and loose from top to bottom next to the NAP 250 DR. The 250 DR is more focused and tight with higher levels of detail and refinement.

Is this a 200 or 200DR?

ryder. posted:

I'll refrain from asking questions on the burn-in of the 250DR at this point. 3 to 9 months for the 250DR to fully run-in. 9 months seem to be awfully long but I'll be patient. I hope I'll get some positive results going into the 3rd month.

Ask all the questions you'd like to ask.  The "senior forum member(s)" that have "advised you" can go suck an egg if they don't like you asking questions.

No one rules the content here, other than Mr. Dane.

Ryder, you don't have to feel pressured to like the 250 DR. If something still doesn't sound right after 6-8 weeks (which is what Naim advised you), then by all means speak to your dealer and Naim. You have the full right to be not satisfied after spending 3500 GBP + taxes, if you aren't convinced.

By the way I am not a "senior forum member" by any means, but I consider Darke Bear to be as he has quite some set up CD555/Statement preamp, 3 X500 NAP and active S800

So when he says running it is quite real for him, and I've experienced it too, all I was saying is be patient.....  There will always be those who say it is nonsense.... but Naim do say their kit does need at least a month to sound best, it is there in each Naim product manual.

So where does the '9 months' come from?

kaydee6 posted:

ryder. posted:

The NAP 200 sounds more diffused and loose from top to bottom next to the NAP 250 DR. The 250 DR is more focused and tight with higher levels of detail and refinement.

Is this a 200 or 200DR?

It's a NAP 200. However, there is a HCDR in the system.

Alba1320 posted:

Stop fiddling with the system, swapping components, comparing and analysing everything!

Install the 282/Hi-CapDR/250DR, sit back, relax, and listen to some music, for at least a week or two.

If you are genuinely unable to enjoy your music collection, then something's wrong:-

1. Your amps are likely to be very revealing, so deserve the best source you can get; otherwise, they will simply reveal the limitations of the source.

2. There's something wrong with the system set-up?

3. You prefer the 200.

4. It's a classic case of 'Audiophilia Nervosa'!

 

I'm done with the comparison and swapping of boxes although there's still the non-Naim PSU which was left out. I wouldn't want to keep moving boxes if given the choice. It is tedious work.

You may have missed my post above. I have managed to fix the issues with the NAC 282 / HCDR / NAP 250 DR and now find the setup to be more enjoyable than the NAC 282 / HCDR / NAP 200.

phew

I do know that this form of support for Naim equipment is generally not recommended, but it now sounds great.

The Ceraball Spider currently on the NAP 250 DR that fixes the issue :-

The rubber support feet previously on the NAP 250 DR are now on the Krell CD player. It appears that the Krell CDP may not be affected by the rubber feet as much (or at all) as the NAP 250 DR:-

9 months of what?  Occasional use, 5 a day or 24/7?

Come on guys get real of course a component is going to be doing its stuff better several months after coming out the box. How would you track this?  Anyone keeping a log?

Regards,

Lindsay

ryder. posted:

I do know that this form of support for Naim equipment is generally not recommended, but it now sounds great.

The Ceraball Spider currently on the NAP 250 DR that fixes the issue :-

The rubber support feet previously on the NAP 250 DR are now on the Krell CD player. It appears that the Krell CDP may not be affected by the rubber feet as much (or at all) as the NAP 250 DR:-

Strange my findings is that the only Naim equipment that does not get better with extra support is  the amps, however power supplies and Snaxo really benefits from extra support.

Claus

Allan Milne posted:

 

I find it interesting to read of other's experiences and the OP was querying if anyone else has had any similar experiences to him.

 

I don't understand posters who must criticise other people's opinions - yes correct facts but all opinions are valid (at least to their proponents) - if you don't agree with what an OP is posting in terms of philosophy, approach or whatever then that is fine and you should convey your approach as an alternative ...

... but that is then your opinion and no one should denigrate any one else's opinions, just post alternatives and leave it at that ...

... of course there is the other alternative of just not participating in that post at all !....... 

Let us all travel our own path and respect those who might be on a different one.

Let us all continue to enjoy the music without rancour,

Allan

 

 

Amen! Agreed 101% 

Thanks Allan, a new word! 

Maybe it just Human Nature, My idea is better than yours, My System is better than yours, My view is better than yours, but as Allan has eloquently displayed in the above paragraph, Please show some respect.

After all, the integrity of the FORUM, is at stake! 

Enjoy your Music, the Why, forgot about the how! 

Allante93!!!!!!

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

Strange my findings is that the only Naim equipment that does not get better with extra support is  the amps, however power supplies and Snaxo really benefits from extra support.

  Claus

May I ask what Naim amp is it that didn't respond to supports?

I didn't expect the results as well. Perhaps the rubber feet had affected on the performance of the NAP 250 DR, and by removing the rubber feet the 250 DR performed better.

Prior to having the 250 DR, the NAP 200 was on rubber feet for 6 years. I am not sure if the performance of the NAP 200 was compromised with the rubber feet though.

Have just tapped a foot of my NAP200 with a screwdriver. It's solid. There's a layer of rubber at the bottom the foot, perhaps 3mm thick, which is in direct contact with the shelf.

Naim's mechanical engineers will have applied their latest thinking to the feet of the NAP250DR which may be different to those of the NAP200 but unlikely to be 'rubber'.

C.