Can't rip SACD...

Posted by: ken c on 23 September 2016

i bought this Beethoven Piano Trios (Hybrid SACD) recently, but found i couldnt rip it in my US. Other CDs i bought at the time ripped OK.

what i want to know is, if i were to rip it using something like dBpoweramp or similar -- and then simply copy the .wav file to my music library on my NAS, would this work?

sorry -- this is probably a noddy question...

enjoy...

ken

 

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by Harry

Pretty much.

When we ran HDX it couldn't rip any of my dual layer CD/SACD hybrids. I run dBpoweramp on PC and didn't have any problems. Just make sure you have the tags how you want them and put the album in a network folder that the US can see. Or maybe in the "downloads" folder of the US if it has made one?

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by ken c

Thanks Harry...

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by engjoo

Are you trying to rip the redbook (i.e. 16 bit PCM) or the DSD layer ? You should not have problem with ripping the redbook layer of a hybrid SACD.

If it is DSD files you are after, they are not easy to rip. Sony who owns this IP go to great length to ensure that the DSD output cannot be "extracted". Unless one has a customized hardware, the only way they have been ripped was using a specific version of Sony PS3 or a certain model of Oppo player with certain firmware.

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Ken

Some of the CDs (SACD or regular CD) will just not rip in my UnitiServe. I have a stack of them at home (perhaps 10 or so). It has nothing to do with SACD, as a regular CD player simply reads the normal layer as does the UnitiServe.

If you rip via any other source, just make sure you add it to a 'Download' folder - the same way as you'd with a regular download from say HD Tracks.

Adam

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by Guy007

If the SACD is a 'Hybrid' you should be able to extract the 'CD' info easily - using another source like DBpoweramp.

If it is a pure SACD like Engjoo mentions, there are hoops to go through, to the point it would probably be cheaper and quicker to just buy a download of the hi res files, or just play the SACD...

Posted on: 23 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
Guy007 posted:

If the SACD is a 'Hybrid' you should be able to extract the 'CD' info easily. 

If it is a pure SACD like Engjoo mentions, there are hoops to go through, to the point it would probably be cheaper and quicker to just buy a download of the hi res files, or just play the SACD...

If I'm not mistaken every SACD has a 'regular' layer, which can be read by an ordinary CD player.

What I was clumsily trying to explain in my previous remark, is that I found my UnitiServe could not reap regular CDs too. So the problem is not confined to a SACD. 
My guess is that there are some technical apsects which prevent that particular CD to be read, possibly a manufacturing defect.

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by Klout10

Not every SACS has an 'ordinary' redbook layer. When I used to own an HDX it ripped all my dual layer SACD's flawlessly...

Regards, Michel

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
Klout10 posted:

Not every SACS has an 'ordinary' redbook layer. 

Regards, Michel

Michel - I learned something new today. I was certain they all do have two layers... Hmmm

Thanks,

Adam

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by ChrisSU

When people use the expression 'Hmmm' on this forum, is that a polite way of saying 'I don't believe you'?

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by hafler3o

Single-layer: A DVD-5 encoded with one 4.7 GB DSD layer. Single-layer SACDs carry no legacy format layer and are unreadable by conventional CD players.

If there's a Compact Disc logo on the disc it 'should' be two layer.

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
ChrisSU posted:

When people use the expression 'Hmmm' on this forum, is that a polite way of saying 'I don't believe you'?

Actually in my case that means 'I'm intrigued'.

I was under an impression that each SACD must contain a regular CD layer, but apparently that is not the case. 
I think it comes from a fact that all the SACDs that I own have a CD layer...

As I wrote - I learned something new today, for which I'm grateful. I like learning new things.

Adam

Posted on: 24 September 2016 by Harry

The OP referred to ripping the CD layer from a dual layer SACD.  Which many mechanisms will do without difficulty. His US and my old HDX however, do not. The alternatives available for ripping the CD layer are numerous. I use dBpoweramp. DSD was not part of the OP remit and is a whole different bucket of bolts.

Posted on: 26 September 2016 by hungryhalibut

I'm a little late to this, but I thought it might be worth a mention that I ripped lots of hybrid SACDs quite happily when I had a unitiserve. 

Posted on: 26 September 2016 by David Hendon

I also (still) have no problem ripping hybrid SACDs with my Unitiserve. If you can play the CD layer with a CD player that doesn't support SACD then you should be able to rip it with a Naim server I think.

best

David

Posted on: 26 September 2016 by audio1946

CANT RIP PURE SACD   hybrid have a cd layer so they will . PS3  ??? can. some of the first sacd disc were pure S.A.

Posted on: 26 September 2016 by Harry

Close To The Edge hybrid SACD not only flummoxed my HDX but produced a very worrying racket from the mechanism. My PC found and ripped the CD layer just fine.