New Addition To Naim Digital Line-Up

Posted by: Peter_RN on 20 July 2011

Hello folks.

 

I see on the Naim website that there are to be a number of venues this summer for an event ‘Summer Sounds_On Stream’; none of which are being held particularly close to me!

 

However, the interesting point is that amongst the info is this statement. ‘There will also be an exclusive preview of the next addition to the Naim digital line-up and the chance to talk to Naim's expert team of research and design engineers’

 

So, the obvious question is…….What is it going to be?……..As someone desperate to add another streamer or a server/streamer, I would like at least an idea if this my we worth waiting for.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Regards

Peter

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by BigH47

Whatever this product is, this forum will tell NAIM it is the wrong product, it should have had this that and the other in it, or it has the wrong protocols etc etc etc.

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Data

Pretty sure it's a posh Qute.

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by totemphile

Gordon, relax, sales will be good, I am sure.

 

My comments above were as always IMHO and possibly echo those of a few more here on the forum...

 

Life goes on, it's only hifi...

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Guido Fawkes

So no new Cassette Deck then? 


Although a SuperUniti doesn't sound like something for me, I'm sure they'll be interested customers. I'm happy with the UQ as a one-box player for the office. Was hoping from a CD transport/streamer to feed the Naim DAC in my main system, I have an alternative solution in mind, but want to see if Naim would come up with something first. Still no matter, you can't always get what you want and I'm probably in a minority of 1. 


SuperUniti 

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Minigill

SuperUniti, combines facility of Qute, Naim DAC & Supernait.  80 WPC, £3250

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Bruce Woodhouse
Convergence is the obvious appeal. The attraction of my one-box Qute is huge, and the SU will surely be simple to sell for the same reasons. We may have got used to a stack of boxes glowing gently but a new generation of consumers might think that archaic.

If it gets people on the Naim ladder then great, if it funds R+D for a super HDX then I'm happy....

Bruce
Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Tog
Sounds more like an NDX with a decent pre-amp - will go nicely with my Nap 200. When can I have one - Mrs Tog hates boxes. Tog
Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
..... my one-box Qute is huge ....

Bruce

Mine is quite small Bruce 

 

Been thinking since I posted that it wasn't for me that UQ could go in the bedroom and be replaced my SuperUniti in the office - hence with the VB streaming capability I could have the Naim sound around the house. A bit like a Sonus system, but with black boxes instead of white. 


Can you put a SuperCap with the SuperUniti or even a 555PS for the DAC bit? 

 

All the best, Guy 

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Plinko

Looks like a great product for Naim and it's customers.

 

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Plinko
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

Been thinking since I posted that it wasn't for me that UQ could go in the bedroom and be replaced my SuperUniti in the office - hence with the VB streaming capability I could have the Naim sound around the house. A bit like a Sonus system, but with black boxes instead of white. 


Can you put a SuperCap with the SuperUniti or even a 555PS for the DAC bit? 

 

All the best, Guy 


No.  It is a Uniti product.  One box.  Looks like only upgrade allowed is a preamp. 

 

If Naim allowed power supply upgrades for the sources in the Uniti line, nobody would buy the stand alone sources as you get less.

 

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Frank E

Looks like it ihas a great mix of functionality and performance in one unit at a good price point!

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Tog
Brilliant - well done Naim :-) Tog
Posted on: 17 August 2011 by likesmusic

Looks to me like a generous product that'll do a lot of things for a lot of people and which answers far more questions than it raises.

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Alamanka

I would have used a different naming convention. For instance Uniti45 and Uniti80.

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Bart

So I might be EXACTLY the customer they are looking for.  I'm in the market to build a 2 channel system, and was strongly considering the XS, UnitiServ and nDAC combo (plus Devore Nines)(plus a Naim power supply, for which I've heard sonic improvement first-hand with the XS).  It would be a fair amount of money for me, but an 'all Naim' system has appeal.

 

I'm interested in hearing the pro's and con's of this vs. the "SuperUniti."

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by Peter_RN

Just arrived home from a superbly informative well-executed day of explanations and demonstrations that certainly must be worth a visit by everyone with even the remotest interest in streaming. I would commend a visit to one of the remaining shows to anyone who can get there.

The opportunity to see and to hear the entire range of streaming products was invaluable to us; it really brings home the number of combinations already available.

 

Just one complaint. Who locked the door of the demo room?

I have spent months avoiding hearing a 555PS on the nDAC, we have an XPS, how much better could a 555 be? Unfortunately I found out today.

 

Can’t add to what has already been said about the SuperUnity, it is as beautifully engineered as the rest of the product range; I’m sure it will sell well.

 

Thanks to all the folk from Naim for an excellent day.

 

Peter

Posted on: 17 August 2011 by totemphile
Originally Posted by Bart:

So I might be EXACTLY the customer they are looking for.  I'm in the market to build a 2 channel system, and was strongly considering the XS, UnitiServ and nDAC combo (plus Devore Nines)(plus a Naim power supply, for which I've heard sonic improvement first-hand with the XS).  It would be a fair amount of money for me, but an 'all Naim' system has appeal.

 

I'm interested in hearing the pro's and con's of this vs. the "SuperUniti."

 

I think it is difficult for anyone to answer your question reliably because nobody has actually heard the SU yet. However, the way I see it you can be pretty sure that Naim have come up with a great sounding integrated. I would guess that it doesn't quite match the SuperNait from an amplification and sound quality point of view but then again it just might? The streaming and DAC section in the SU on the other hand is likely to be better than the inbuilt DAC of the SuperNait as it is partly based on nDAC/NDX architecture and the ability to connect via Ethernet is a big plus. I owned a Nait XS and SuperNait in the past and tbh I could easily live with either, if part of a balanced system. So I am sure the SU will be just fine from a sound quality point of view and if streaming is your main priority and you don't want to go down the pre/power route and won't get sucked into wanting to gain the nth degree more in SQ by adding yet more boxes such as external power supplies or a dedicated DAC, than the SU would make a whole lot of sense. As always best to audition before you buy.

 

Posted on: 18 August 2011 by Harry
Originally Posted by Peter_RN:

I have spent months avoiding hearing a 555PS on the nDAC, we have an XPS, how much better could a 555 be? Unfortunately I found out today.

Yes. It's one of those "Oh wow!.... Oh hell!" moments.

 

Not for nothing am I making a point of not listening to the 552 or 500.

Posted on: 18 August 2011 by Alamanka

Personally my own question would be: why customer should choose SuperUniti over UnitiQute.

 

Is it because the Super would have overall a better sound, or because of higher power requirements for different speakers (floorstanding vs bookshelf)?

Posted on: 18 August 2011 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Peter and Harry, yes the 555PS really makes a massive difference on the NDAC doesn't it, it's like you are listening to an entirely different piece of kit. As I have said before, I have yet to hear the NDAC with 555PS bettered, and have heard quite a few over the years - it's totally incredible. It had crossed my mind I was lucky and got a particularly good example of the DAC, but your posts suggest it's not just a one off.....
I have been experimenting with acoustic panels, and am  totally awe struck how much information, presence and realism I can now hear from the NDAC, that my very subtle room refections were previously masking.
Simon
Posted on: 18 August 2011 by Peter_RN

Hi Harry & Simon

Hmm, the problem was that my wife was with me and having heard first the HDX, then NDX bare, the systems were built up stage by stage to include HDX/nDAC/XPS and the NDX/nDAC/XPS then XPS was changed to 555. I think that’s correct. All played into 282/SC/250/S400’s.

 

It was the calm way that my wife looked up and said, “Ah, this is the one” when the NDX/nDAC/555 was playing; I’m sure the colour drained from my face. I thought we only needed another streamer. Mind you, I was hoping that the 400’s would be demoed, we will be trying these at home once we have decided on the streaming solution.

 

Perhaps we should form a pact Harry, not to listen to a 500 series amp…….ever!

 

Peter

Posted on: 18 August 2011 by DavidDever
Originally Posted by Alamanka:

Personally my own question would be: why customer should choose SuperUniti over UnitiQute.

 

Is it because the Super would have overall a better sound, or because of higher power requirements for different speakers (floorstanding vs bookshelf)?

DSP-based buffering & de-jittering as NDX / Naim DAC

3rd-generation streaming module with 192kHz streaming and 802.11n Wi-Fi support (all new)

New discrete resistor-ladder volume control circuit (all new)

System automation via n-Stream

More output power (better low-level performance)

Posted on: 18 August 2011 by Manu

This SuperUniti will be really something. Naim has included some new very promizing technologies as Dave said.

 

I have talked to Steve about this new resistor lader: a discreet pot that sounds better than traditional pots, no more chanel unbalancement, consistent all over the range.

And a new generation of streaming board, better sounding, with N WiFi and 24 192.

 

This new unit is not just a new product in the Naim lineup, it is the sarting point of new generation of technologies at Naim.

I have not yet got the oportunity to listen to it, I will in a few weeks. We will present one at the Toronto Show the last weekend of Septembre.

 

And as Gordon said, this is a product we were waiting for, the SuperNait is a very succesfull product, but we now need to go further: the market wants streaming in a compact high end integrated amp. Maybe not the nirvana for you 282 250 or 552 500 owners but remember you have probably all started with a NAIT...

 

Very excited, much more than by Internet radio in servers because a server needs its steaming client to get the best of it IMO and Naim UPnP clients have Internet radio. This feature is more interresting for NaimNet (still to come) than for UPnP HDX and UnitiServe IMO.

Posted on: 19 August 2011 by Harry

Peter. Your experiences are a vivid reminder of what happened within these walls about a year ago. We had an XPS2 on the DAC and in an idle moment thought we would play with a 555PS for a few days. In my case it was not an eureka moment. I wasn’t sure I liked the voicing. It was only after the 555PS went back and I returned to the XPS2 that it hit. And it was not subtle. “Collapsed sound” sounds dramatic and gives a wrong impression that my existing system sounded broken. But it’s the best fit I can think of.

 

I don’t know what my brain was when I last posted. I have actually heard a 552/500 once. In my defence I just happened to be in the right place at the wrong time. A Summer Sounds road show some years back when the HDX was first shown. I don’t know if it was the SL2 used or the amplification or both, but it sounded like it had arrived from another planet. We were deeply impressed. What I now need to avoid is a back to back with a 252/300 and/or putting either of them in the rack at home. It shouldn’t be too difficult, truth be told.

 

The SuperUniti is of no interest to me but as a punter, but as a pointer it is very interesting indeed. 

Posted on: 19 August 2011 by Tog
Originally Posted by DavidDever:
Originally Posted by Alamanka:

Personally my own question would be: why customer should choose SuperUniti over UnitiQute.

 

Is it because the Super would have overall a better sound, or because of higher power requirements for different speakers (floorstanding vs bookshelf)?

DSP-based buffering & de-jittering as NDX / Naim DAC

3rd-generation streaming module with 192kHz streaming and 802.11n Wi-Fi support (all new)

New discrete resistor-ladder volume control circuit (all new)

System automation via n-Stream

More output power (better low-level performance)

Sold - am now saving

 

Should be great with the Nap 200

 

Tog