Analogue conundrum

Posted by: chris2000 on 30 September 2016

Hi all

Having been a long time digital stalwart I was intrigued to hear a friend's turntable v his uniti and was hugely impressed with the richness of the sound v the streaming comparative. This got me thinking whether a return to vinyl was actually the way to go; not just for the sound quality but also the listening experience.

I've subsequently had the chance to listen to an RP10 with Aphelion cartridge with largely the same system as my own and found the sound to be pretty fantastic. However I also took the chance to listen to an NDS and the use of a super lumina cable. That really reset the playing field a lot such that whilst I still felt there was more coming from the RP10 the difference in step up v the NDX was a lot less pronounced.

I'm therefore struggling with whether or not to take the plunge into vinyl as although I think there is an edge in sound there I'm not certain that I'm going to be able to source all of the music I want to be hearing on vinyl and don't want my primary source component to end up being less well used.

Anyone else been through a similar thought process and if so what did you land on an why?

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by Clay Bingham

Chris

I love vinyl and enjoy the getting up and putting on a record thing. And yes the sound is great. Having said that you have a very nice system now and an NDS would be superb. To get into vinyl will cost you a shed load of money along with the continuing cost of new vinyl. You need to ask yourself will you be patient enough to go through the ritual of using and maintaining a vinyl system and do you want the not inconsiderable extra expense.

Good luck

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by dave marshall

Not wishing to open your thread up into which is best, vinyl or digital, I did buy a mid range turntable ages ago, to resurrect my 600 or so albums, comparing it with the CDX2 player I had at that time.

There wasn't much in it, but I did eventually sell both the turntable and the albums, largely on the basis of convenience.

Nowadays, I'm streaming largely CD rips to an NDS, and, for me at least, there's no contest, the SQ is way up there.

Looking at your setup, an NDS would slot in seamlessly, and, I would imagine, for a lesser outlay than a top of the range turntable, with the attendant endless tweaks which folks do, so I'd agree with Clay's advice here.

Just my twopence worth, It probably doesn't help much, but have a look at my profile, my setup is otherwise not unlike yours, and I couldn't be happier with the sound here. 

 

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

Hi,

If like me you have a substantial record collection built up over many years then a top flight TT is a no brainer and frankly provided the pressing is half decent in my experience in terms of listening pleasure vinyl still blows digital away.  And the RP10 is hugely impressive and I know from 2 listens it will see off a NDS and CD555 - subjective maybe but that's how it is to me.

But, if you haven't already got a vinyl collection do you really want to start.  Are you going to replicate what you've already got on digital?  Even an analogue die-hard like myself needs to have a CDP and CD collection - as you say there is stuff which just isn't available on vinyl and 2nd hand whilst can be good can also be a bit of a minefield!

You could go half way - buy say a Rega Planer 3 used with Stageline try a few records and then if it grabs you then you can always upgrade.  But be warned - even a Rega P3 will perform tricks that a top flight digital source can't.

As Clay says good luck!!

Regards,

Lindsay

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by tonym

As Lindsay's suggested, you could maybe get yourself a Rega or good s/h LP12, & start in a small way. Plenty of good quality s/h vinyl around if you know where to look. There's no reason at all why you couldn't, like lots of folk, enjoy digital and vinyl, they've both got lots to offer.

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by dayjay

I recently moved back into vinyl after a gap of over twenty years and bought a Rega RP8 with Apheta 2.  Even at that modest level through my system with a Stageline it sounds fantastic and I'm sure the RP10 and Aphelion are even better.  The sound is rich and detailed and there is excellent separation - I haven't regretted the purchase for a second. I'm borrowing a Rega Aria to try tomorrow which should be interesting.  The SQ you can get for relatively modest investment makes it a no brainer for me.

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by b_lund

The new Planar 3 is in some ways better than an old P9 ive heard ( no, not april 1.st)

Significantly better build and sound than RP 3/6 range

RP8 really nice  not sure when replacements in

Exiting if they will provide new MM range ? as now new MC's

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Well...

I had a similar dilema some years ago.... 

RP10/Aphelion - is a seriously good piece of kit - just make sure you get a good professional to set it up. 

Adam

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

Let me put it this way.  Whilst working at home today in an adjacent room to the hi Fi I played several CDs and Radio 3 on FM. Tonight for a serious Friday evening listening session it's Graceland on vinyl and other stuff later - Coltrane I expect.  

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Let me put it this way.  Whilst working at home today in an adjacent room to the hi Fi I played several CDs and Radio 3 on FM. Tonight for a serious Friday evening listening session it's Graceland on vinyl and other stuff later - Coltrane I expect.  

Graceland - it is a well recorded vinyl, isn't it?

Coltrane - hmmm - depending on a mood, but perhaps 'My Favourite Things'?

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

My wife bought our pressing of Graceland back on its first day of release and it still sounds fantastic.  

Blue Train!!

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
The Strat (Fender) posted:

My wife bought our pressing of Graceland back on its first day of release and it still sounds fantastic.  

Blue Train!!

Blue Train - a bit of melanholy if I recall correctly.

Just started on Vangelis 'Soil Festivities' original pressing.

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

Blue Train - melancholy not at all - hard bop!!

Posted on: 30 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Blue Train - melancholy not at all - hard bop!!

I got confused. It's not too hard.

Try 'Ascencion' - not sure what that one is though... 

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

Love supreme - apologies for diverting the thread somewhat!

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Chris Dolan

Vinyl has that effect Lindsay

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Love supreme - apologies for diverting the thread somewhat!

Classic

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Allan Milne

 

A difficult one and I think it depends on your whole approach to listening to music and using HiFi.

 

If you don't have many vinyl albums

... and are considering the NDS level of digital playback

... and are primarily concerned with listenting to music (rather than HiFi)

then I would suggest sticking to digital.

 

I am blown away with my UnitiServ/DAC V1/through 202/250DR into B&W803D3's and think it now (with the 250DR as the latest upgrade) compares very favourably with my LP12 Majik/Krystal/Linto.

It certainly is a lot easier to select and play music and from what other contributors say the Nds would take this to another level.

 

... however, playing the vinyl is a ceremony and the whole process of taking it out the sleeve, cleaning, setting up etc just adds to the "importance" of the music - daft I know.

 

If I hadn't still had a very modest (100) collection from my first buys back in the 70's I probably would not now go down the vinyl route but then I wouldn't have all the memories that come back when I pull out the first ELP album that I bought!

 

If however, you have HiFi as a hobby (in addition to the listening), then that changes the game - you'll get great fun tinkering with a turntable and following vinyl pressings, etc ... but then again you can also have a whole hobby in tinkering with cables, or room treatment, or digital networks, or ... whatever

 

Allan

 

 

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Clive B
Adam Zielinski posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Blue Train - melancholy not at all - hard bop!!

I got confused. It's not too hard.

Try 'Ascencion' - not sure what that one is though... 

'Ascension' is... Hard work! Even for a dedicated jazz fan it is challenging, but worth the effort occasionally. Maybe one to own on vinyl to encourage serious listening. I only have it on CD.

Apologies for continuing the deviation from the original topic. 

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski
Clive B posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Blue Train - melancholy not at all - hard bop!!

I got confused. It's not too hard.

Try 'Ascencion' - not sure what that one is though... 

'Ascension' is... Hard work! Even for a dedicated jazz fan it is challenging, but worth the effort occasionally. Maybe one to own on vinyl to encourage serious listening. I only have it on CD.

Apologies for continuing the deviation from the original topic. 

Even more apologies for the diversion.

I have 'Ascencion'  on both a CD and a new vinyl pressing - easier to listen to on a vinyl somehow.

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

Apologies again - I didn't realise there was an album called Ascencion.  Something for Frau Strat to get me at Xmas. 

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Apologies again - I didn't realise there was an album called Ascencion.  Something for Frau Strat to get me at Xmas. 

Spelling is not my forte in either language (Polish and English). It's called: ASCENSION.

Best described as experimental. Takes a while and few passes to understand what Coltrane had in mind when it was recorded in 1965.

Posted on: 01 October 2016 by al9315

I remember reading that when Coltrane was playing a solo whilst with Miles Davis, that in Miles' opinion his solo went on for too long, afterwards Miles told this to Coltrane, who replied he got into his solo so much he did not know how to stop.

Miles said "Try taking the saxophone out of your mouth" !

Posted on: 02 October 2016 by oldrock

For what it's worth,  I am a month or so down the road with my freshly Cirkus upgraded Lp12, courtesy of Peter at Cymbiosis, and my vinyl has never sounded so good. I am still pondering on a replacement cd or uniti as per my first post here, etc but I get the feeling the vinyl will still be my first choice. This morning had Miles' 'So what' coming through my listening room like a train. Love it!    

Posted on: 02 October 2016 by Skip

I could be very happy with my son's minimalist Unitqute2b setup.   The high res streaming I have heard is breathtaking.   24/192 transcription of vinyl sounds as good as or better than the original vinyl.   Take a look at Pure Vinyl and what people have to say about the transcribed music.   I have a closet full of vinyl and a nice turntable, but I would not try to duplicate that system today with the new digital solutions out there.