New Uniti Core

Did Martin already get his?

Chag -

T38.45 posted:

aysil posted:

Phil,

You had written in this forum some time ago, that the digital out of NS01 would sound better than that of US, and the digital out of HDX slightly better than NS01, because of power supply configurations... How would UCore place itself within this grading sequence? Any chance of it being even better than HDX in this respect?

Very good point!!!

 

Phil answered recently on the forum that the Core digi-out was indistinuishable from an NDX I think.

G

GraemeH posted:
The question remains one of sound quality in relation to the digital-out of the Core vs ND5XS.

G

That's one that you really need to ascertain for yourself by having a listen but running out into my Naim DAC in my system I couldn't reliably distinguish between Core and my NDX playing direct S/PDIF ...

Phil

Phil,

thanks for the reply, very insightful. For 5 years I was running a U.S. into nDAC, but recently acquired a used NDX. So now I am running U.S. /NDX/ nDAC, which I consider a big upgrade over the U.S./nDAC . Better imaging, and most of all, wonderful dynamics. To my ears at least. So the dig out of the Core must be a substantial improvement over that of the U.S.

cheers

Paul

Nice inference, Paul, though did Phil also say that his NS01 (as a reasonable proxy for the U.S.) was inferior to the CORE? Also, it would be great to hear about any differences in circuitry of the sound-relevant bits of the CORE vs U.S. E.g., is there more reclocking going on, or anything else that couldn't be rectified by a decent DAC?

S.

Stefan Vogt posted:

Nice inference, Paul, though did Phil also say that his NS01 (as a reasonable proxy for the U.S.) was inferior to the CORE? Also, it would be great to hear about any differences in circuitry of the sound-relevant bits of the CORE vs U.S. E.g., is there more reclocking going on, or anything else that couldn't be rectified by a decent DAC?

I believe I said that using my Naim DAC within my own system I can't tell the difference between my NS01 and the Core...

Cheers

Phil

@Phil Harris -

Are the generated wav files any different? If so, is there a way to convert wav files generated from the UnitiServe into the new wav file format ? I realize the bits are mathematically identical, but there was something in the forums about how the bits were structured with different headers and partitions.. 

I do remember that the wav files generated by dbPowerAmp were not identical as the ones from UnitiServe - even though both were correct. (Used HexEditor to compare).

Any chance the UnitiServ hardware can deal with the new software? Or any chance the old software could be open sourced?

MangoMonkey posted:

@Phil Harris -

Are the generated wav files any different? If so, is there a way to convert wav files generated from the UnitiServe into the new wav file format ? I realize the bits are mathematically identical, but there was something in the forums about how the bits were structured with different headers and partitions.. 

I do remember that the wav files generated by dbPowerAmp were not identical as the ones from UnitiServe - even though both were correct. (Used HexEditor to compare).

Any chance the UnitiServ hardware can deal with the new software? Or any chance the old software could be open sourced?

The Core will import UnitiServe / HDX / NS0x music folders and use them directly - it rips to the same data file format.

The UnitiServe will not run the new software (completely different architecture) and there is no possibility of the existing platform being open sourced.

Best Regards

Phil Harris

I may have miss it but does the Uniti Core has DLNA 1.5 on it? Can Bubble upnp see it as a renderer?

kaydee6 posted:

I may have miss it but does the Uniti Core has DLNA 1.5 on it? Can Bubble upnp see it as a renderer?

The Core is a UPnP / DLNA server but not a renderer.

My appologies for my ignorance, but what is a 'renderer'?

Klout10 posted:

My appologies for my ignorance, but what is a 'renderer'?

A renderer is UPnP AV speak for a player which is seen by a Control Point - examples would include the Naim Uniti (except for Core and Server) devices, Naim ND range, etc. as well as software renderers such as Foobar (with UPnP plugin), GMediaRender, and others.

An old question for the new range. Will the new app and/or the Core enable individual tracks on various artist compliation CDs to have the artist name?

Dave

Eloise posted:

Klout10 posted:

My appologies for my ignorance, but what is a 'renderer'?

A renderer is UPnP AV speak for a player which is seen by a Control Point - examples would include the Naim Uniti (except for Core and Server) devices, Naim ND range, etc. as well as software renderers such as Foobar (with UPnP plugin), GMediaRender, and others.

A renderer in this context is the software that converts a file to a digital music stream to feed to a DAC, and does not necessarily have to access the files via a UPnP server, as it can access directly if on the same device as the music is stored (Presumably having the equivalent of a UPnP server built in, though not necessarily accessible as such to external devices). an example is Audirvana.

my understanding is that the Core can output the digital stream direct to a DAC, so does have a built-in renderer, that Phil Harris says is indistinguishable from NDX as renderer in his system. 

Eloise posted:

kaydee6 posted:

I may have miss it but does the Uniti Core has DLNA 1.5 on it? Can Bubble upnp see it as a renderer?

The Core is a UPnP / DLNA server but not a renderer.

my understanding is that the Core does include a renderer as it can output the digital stream direct to a DAC.

Thanx guys!

is the manual available?

T38.45 posted:

is the manual available?

Not yet ... it will be available for download once Core is shipping.

Phil

thanks Phil! :-)

T38.45 posted:

is the manual available?

No, only the automatic.

 

 

is the manual available?

No, only the automatic.

Qute !

Chag -

Innocent Bystander posted:

Eloise posted:

kaydee6 posted:

I may have miss it but does the Uniti Core has DLNA 1.5 on it? Can Bubble upnp see it as a renderer?

The Core is a UPnP / DLNA server but not a renderer.

my understanding is that the Core does include a renderer as it can output the digital stream direct to a DAC.

Sorry but I disagree with your (and [@mention:41551091830475636] above) comment / assessment.

The question asked was "Can BubbleUPnP see it as a renderer". So the question being asked is specifically if it has a UPnP compatible renderer.  Which is (afaik) does not.  

The Core does have a player, but that needs controlling by the Naim application NOT by a UPnP control point.

Eloise posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Eloise posted:

kaydee6 posted:

I may have miss it but does the Uniti Core has DLNA 1.5 on it? Can Bubble upnp see it as a renderer?

The Core is a UPnP / DLNA server but not a renderer.

my understanding is that the Core does include a renderer as it can output the digital stream direct to a DAC.

Sorry but I disagree with your (and [@mention:41551091830475636] above) comment / assessment.

The question asked was "Can BubbleUPnP see it as a renderer". So the question being asked is specifically if it has a UPnP compatible renderer.  Which is (afaik) does not.  

The Core does have a player, but that needs controlling by the Naim application NOT by a UPnP control point.

I wasn't answering the question about Bubble, but correcting the statement that the Core is not a renerer, because I understand that it is. (Even if it might not show to Bubble as a renderer) - it can, i believe, render the contents stored on it, to feed direct to a DAC.

Perhaps Phil Harris could confirm?

[@mention:41551091830475636] ... "renderer" is only a valid term when it comes to UPnP though ... so Core is a player, but not a renderer.