General Setup For Best Quality

Posted by: Jasom on 13 October 2016

Hi there,

 

I am thinking of getting an NDX or NDS. I'd like to ask what kind of server set up people are using. I currently have all my Flaws on a Synology so the storage side is already sorted out.

 

What I would be interested in knowing is which kind of router or ethernet switch people are suing to maintain maximum sound quality?

I currently have a BT Hub and Apple Airport Express and Airport Extreme. Is this sufficient or should I be looking at other things?

 

Kind Regards

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by Jasom

Obviously I meant to say Flacs. 

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by hungryhalibut

Type 'network setup' into the search. It's all there, and after a few posts on the first thread that comes up is a link to a really helpful guide, written by our very own Huge. 

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by Kacper

Hi Jasom,

I have a simple switch from TP-LINK (TL-SG105) which solved quite huge problem; please check this topic:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...-from-synology-issue 

regards,

Kacper

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by Mike-B

NDS or NDX deserves an all wired ethernet,  as good as they are I would not go AE's to stream from NAS to ND,  if it can be avoided,  other than 100% OK for wireless extensions for other stuff.  A basic network is pretty simple- see the schematic

I advise not to use the BT hub as a switch, get a pukka gigabit switch,  I & many forumites use the Netgear GS105 (or GS108) ProSafe switches,  but I don't believe there is much between the most popular brands provided its a GS model.

As you have FLAC you are best advised to load the Minimserver (& Java)  UPnP thats provided in in your Synology Package Center,  Synology's own Media Server is as good as it gets,  provided its WAV codec, & the best SQ is with WAV.  But fear not thats easy & all you need to do is transcode your FLAC to WAV (thats a NAS/UPnP function).  The Synology Media Server does a poor job of that whereas Minimserver does it perfectly.

 

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Just don't look at the threads on 'streaming cables'

On a serious note - once you decide on the NAS, switch and a UPnP server software, do post again if you need advice on configurations. HH, Mike-B, Huge, Simon, ChrisU or I will pick it up quite quickly and will guide you.

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by ChrisSU
Jasom posted:

I currently have a BT Hub and Apple Airport Express and Airport Extreme. Is this sufficient or should I be looking at other things?

 

Apple devices are easy to set up for those of us who are technologically challenged, and I've been using them for some time, so I would suggest you get set up with these rather than spending more cash on alternatives that may be no better.

I would suggest turning off WiFi on your BT router, and connecting your Airport Extreme to it. If you can't run cables from here all the way to your streamer and NAS, connect them to your Airport Express so that they can still talk to your router and gain internet access. If you need to do this with both the NAS and streamer, connect both of them and the Airport Express to a switch.

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by Pcd

Mike-B Posted

NDS or NDX deserves an all wired ethernet 

An absolute must to get the best out of a NDS or NDX or any Naim streamer for that matter.

 

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by Monkadill

I use a wired Network to connect my N272 to my NAS and I run the network over my electric circuit (Plug system) and it works for me. I have not experienced any issues. I use TP TL PA7020's which are on Amazon for £44 a pair. Plug the ethernet cable from the NAS (Synolodgy etc) into one plug and then run a ethernet cable from the other plug into the streamer..job done. Streaming over Wifi is a bit flakey in my experience.

 

 

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by hungryhalibut

I've not tried it, but everything I've read suggests that Ethernet over mains is very much a last resort and is not the best for sound quality. A proper wired network is what you should aim for, and does not need to be complicated.

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by al9315

Earlier in the year I had exactly your question. I also have BT hub

I have (with lots of help from people on here) set up QNAP / switch / NDX.......

I had to get a hole drilled in wall - and run  ethernet along outside of house - another hole with socket inside.....

After getting the teething trouble sorted out - no problems at all with the music flowing

In my opinion - must be hard wired - no regrets + loads of capacity for more music

Good luck with your decision

Al

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by Wunderbaum

Hi All - (experts in particular) - in regards to Ethernet over mains, i fully understand that this might not be the ideal way quality-wise. But would it be "ok" (if you look at mike-b's illustration) to have the connection between the router/modem and the switch through mains Ethernet and the rest cabled with cat5/6/7 cables? - or will the NAS transfer through the whole network when streaming?

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by hungryhalibut

You'd do better to connect an airport express to the switch and use a wireless connection between the router and the airport. This connection is only relevant for metadata and internet radio. Of course, internet radio may struggle, in which case the Powerline option may be the only way. They have all sorts of issues around RFI and other bad stuff, and it seems a shame to compromise a really good system with poor networking. Lay those wires. 

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski

It's the interference you really want to avoid in a streaming network. And internet-over-mains is unfortunately very prone to interference.

Posted on: 14 October 2016 by Mike-B
Wunderbaum posted:

..........  would it be "ok" (if you look at mike-b's illustration) to have the connection between the router/modem and the switch through mains Ethernet and the rest cabled with cat5/6/7 cables? - or will the NAS transfer through the whole network when streaming?

Any interference that may (or may not) come from these EoP devices affects the whole network & also can affect your neighbours.    If the router/switch leg is a distance problem I would go for wireless extenders such as the Apple AE's