As my system engineer is irradiating himself in Chernobyl, I think we might need some assistance, so a question here might help us when he returns.
A few weeks back I asked to increase my storage from my HP proliant 2 x 2 TB setup to 2 x 4TBs, as I'm contemplating going all digital and would need to rip a load more CDs. It was felt that maybe a newer NAS would be preferable so a Ready NAS 104 and the 2x4tb drives was installed, left running for a couple of days to transfer data.This is where I lost plot, previous system had server in finder then the name where data lived VIDEOS, MUSIC, PICTURES, DOCUMENTS with various sub folders with iTunes and HD and other music etc.
New system shows NETGEAR, NETGEAR (AFB) and NETGEAR (SMB) all with previous folders on them.
When pointing the MacMini at the new NAS , having previously set up iTunes and UPnP servers, I think that's what they are called.
Using iTunes from MM is now very bizarre apart from, almost all music from the old server and what seems every thing from my external drives that were on the iMac. Some albums have multiple entries but under one album entry so multiple track 1s, t2s t3s etc, some have randomised the track order, but the worst is that I can't edit anything. Also looking at the data on the NAS shows less music than the data that iTunes is looking at. If I can pick a suitable pristine album it plays well, but you can't just click the album you have to "play next" just clicking the first track plays that track and then it just rambles of any where to play the next track. I still have the original server setup so hopefully the data is available again if a strip and repaint is required on NG NAS.
If this makes any sense to anybody I would love get some sort of help into which direction to proceed, to arrive at some sort of normalcy.
Maybe time to go fruit free for music, could be an option?
Posted on: 16 October 2016 by Huge
For some reason the new NAS is separately exporting folder shares using the default protocol, the AFB protocol AND the SMB protocol. If you go into its setup you should be able to turn off two of these protocols, then you should only see the one share and one set of files.
Unfortunately I use neither a Netgear NAS nor a Mac, so I can't help you with how to do this.
Posted on: 16 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski
Ok BIgH
iTunes is a nonsense piece of software when it comes to streaming music. It's not really a UPnP server either. And I've been using Macs for years. It also catalogues music in a stupid way.
My suggestion is:
- Forget the Mac > set up a NAS
- Once you set up a NAS, install a Minimserver
- You can use your Mac for ripping - invest in a DBPoweramp
- Ripped files can be moved to a NAS
I use QNAP so can guide you through a set up if you decide to set one up.
Adam
Posted on: 16 October 2016 by BigH47
I already have a lot of ripped to AIFF CDs can the data be used outside iTunes?
Mac MIni is used to control iTunes, no music stored on it.
Posted on: 16 October 2016 by alan33
In Finder you could try ejecting one of the multiple mounts (say the one with SMB in the name). If you then see only two copies, yore on the right track and can await instructions or help. If you still see three copies, that is a puzzle. If you see zero copies, we can help you auto-mount the NAS using the protocol of your choice. This is a case where the automatic set up has been too helpful and caused confusion.
Regards alan
Posted on: 16 October 2016 by Adam Zielinski
Of course the data can be used outside of the iTunes. You may have some challenges with the artwork, but the files will be playable.
As Alan wrote - when you mount your NAS on a MAC you should see two 'entries' for it in a finder (AFB and SMB). Use SMB only - this is a more universal way of managing files on your NAS.
Posted on: 17 October 2016 by BigH47
Alan/Adam at the risk of looking a complete thicko.
Can you explain what you mean by " when you mount the NAS on a MAC " ?
BTW in finder on the MacMini I see 3 Netgear entries:-
Netgear with an old style monitor icon
Netgear(AFP) and Netgear(SMB) both with a widescreen monitor icon.
Posted on: 17 October 2016 by trickydickie
Let me help as I use a couple of these devices for backups.
You need to access the NAS drive through the web interface and logon. Once you have done this navigate to the Shares tab.
This page will list all the directories that are shared along with the services which are enabled. See below.
If Huge is correct then you will see multiple protocols listed, i.e. SMB etc. In my example I use SMB, RSYNC and DNLA for the Music share.
Click on the settings icon (it's a cog wheel to the right of the row) for your music share. When the popup page appears click on the Network Access tab. This will allow you to enable/disable the different protocols.
You will have different ones enabled, I use RSYNC for backups and DNLA as a backup DNLA server inc case my main one is down and SMB for file access. Turn off all but one of these, by clicking on them, leaving either SMB or AFP enabled. Experiment until you can see what you need to see.
Hope this helps.
Richard
Posted on: 17 October 2016 by alan33
Hi -
tl;dr: "mount" and "unmount" are the computer terms for connecting and disconnecting your external device (in this case your NAS) to the Mac file system (which you normally can nteract with via Finder)
When the NAS "presents itself" over the network (or when anything, like a USB stick is plugged in) to the Mac as a disk drive and you can see it for use in Finder, it is "mounted" using some sort of communication protocol. AFP and SMB are two different protocols used in networking for file access (read/write). It's happening auto-magically for you as the two machines negotiate how to talk to each other.
Normally not a problem - in finder you can just pick one to drill down and manage your files and ignore the other connections (which all point to the same place). With your UPnP situation, it is not ignoring anything and your view shows multiple copies (of the same song, for example).
If you can "eject" the SMB icon in finder, this should "unmount" the volume that was automatically "mounted" via the SMB protocol. I'm hoping all of your Mac applications (including your UPnP server) will lose this connection.
Hope this helps!
Regards alan
Posted on: 17 October 2016 by BigH47
OK guys thanks for the info. I seem to remember doing some of that when we setup. Further study of these posts is required.
I'll let John settle back and hit him with some questions in a couple of days.
Unfortunately I have bigger problems as my iMac has decided to die tonight.
See post about to arrive in Padded Cell.
