12yr old NAP500 back to the Mothership for service and DR upgrade. Hello 300s. Hellllooo 500DR!

Posted by: ayisgroovy on 01 January 2017

Being the first day into 2017, and currently enjoying the new tunes my updated power amp is making, I thought I'd share my recent experiences from my 500DR service and upgrade.

October 2016:  After much deliberation over "if" and then "when" I should take my 12yr old baby for the service and DR upgrade,  they were picked up by my north London dealer of many a year - Grahams.  As a tie-me-over for the ensuing weeks, I was given a NAP300(non DR) on loan which was a wonderful gesture by my dealer - thank you guys for this and for getting me a time slot for the 500 within 2 weeks of calling.  So, whilst listening to some tunes via the 300, I thought I'd share my journey with you from a relatively humble set up to what is near my end target  

Now, I've come a long way from exactly two years ago: CDX2/82/Supercap(o)/250(o)/NACA5/B&W802N, via a 52/SC/135s, to now a rather gutsy setup involving an NDS/2x555PS(1 DR)/SL 5-5din/552DR/SL din-XLR/500/Ultra Black/B&W802N.  Most notable was the introduction of the 552 and 500, which was not made at the same time for financial reasons!  This all came about through an element of good fortune at work and a "you only live once" change of heart. I've always loved audio equipment from my teen years (LP12/Ittok/K18/Nait/Kans) and my view has always been it's an investment into something that is tangible and gives me joy on tap over years.

I have digressed.  The point I think I'm trying to make is here is that once you have (temporarily) paused on the upgrading bug, you settle down and enjoy your system and the delivery of music.  Over time, ceteris paribus, you don't really notice gradual degradation that may have taken place. I've been very happy with the 500 (of course!) and it is only until it was swapped out this weekend for its return to the mothership and loan-300 installed that the differences were quite noticeable. 

26Nov2016. Fast forward.  A wonderful day - my 500 is ready for pick up and comes back serviced, DR'd (yay!), and the 500 head unit casing polished/refurbished looking like new! Thank you Naim! Ok, you might say that 4.9k should buy you a lot and expect a lot but the DR upgrade was to be first and foremost priority via replacing internal components, but the bodywork refurb didn't have to be done but was a very nice gesture by Naim.  So, initial impressions during first couple of hours of running? Wow wow wow!  In a nutshell, the keywords I would use are: gusto, deeper blacks (intra periods of silence), confidence/control, increased 3D depth/airiness, amazing revelation of detail/nuances.  To elaborate on the inky blackness, this allowed the start/stop of musical notes/chords to be heard clearly which helps "clarify" the tempo which drives any track and as a by-product accentuates the timing of the leading edge of notes.  As with the overall presentation of music, the DR+service really puts the 500DR into a different league.  The 300 I had on loan is no slouch either by spec or relative to 135s, but how I would encapsulate my comments on the good points of the 500DR is that it is a very very "confident" amp together with ample gusto on dynamic range.  Alternatively, what I am trying to say is that the new born confidence presents the music as it was intended to be with drum "thwacks" sounding just that and previously fuzzy bass lines snapping into focus and much more easier to follow, are just examples.  Further, detail enhancement is another wonderful strength and just makes it seem as if your music collection was New and you needed to play it all over again!  

The rest of November merged into December and sad to say the abnormally busy work schedule offered few chances to sit down and spin a few FLACS though in certain ways this was no bad things as perhaps it could have made me oblivious to some of the running in woes over the first month post DR/service.  Now that the Christmas break had come (and now sadly gone) I had a great chance to re-aquaint myself with my new amp, and further appreciate the subtle improvements since the early days since returning from the mothership.  I'm adamant that bass notes have grown deeper and extended over the month, and so has a further opening up of spatial mapping as well as a modest sweetening of the very high frequencies. Consistent with earlier posts by fellow Naim 500 owners who have gone through the DR+service upgrade and subsequent burn in angst, I'm pretty sure that I have gone through the trough of the performance J-curve and now on the upside leg as every (ok, most) time I play music on the system is just so enjoyable - I don't need to look for the new positive traits of the 500DR, they come out and slap me around the face and say "hey look at what I can do now" notes.

So, to finish off this post thus far, I am sitting in my listening chair on New Years' Day, tunes on,  with a smug and growing grin on my face and sets 2017 off with a good start! A question to 500DR owners - how long does the improvement continue for before the improvements level off into the future?

 

 

Posted on: 01 January 2017 by yeti42

It's keeping you up at least 

 

Posted on: 01 January 2017 by Richard Sellicks

My 12 year old 500 sitting at my dealers waiting to go to Naim for DR upgrade and service. Looking forward to the new sound on its return. 

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by ayisgroovy

Hi Richard, you will be astonished by the transformation from the DR+service.  The head unit will see many of the parts/PCB replaced to the extent that I've noticed the back facia now sports the "DR" logo (not a sticker) and the burndy, XLR, and speaker terminals are also replaced (or by visual inspection, cleaned).  If you have had your original 500 from new or for a lengthy period you would probably not notice the gradual degradation on the sound quality (aka components) over time as your brain would be so used to the presentation the 500 produces.  However, when the 500 (and in our case both units) are serviced the difference is quite outstanding.  I hope the wait and anticipation is bearable for you but enjoy when it comes back from Salisbury!

  

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by Harry

Much happiness to come. You've paid for it. Now it's time to enjoy it.

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by J.N.

"A question to 500DR owners - how long does the improvement continue for before the improvements level off into the future?"

I'd say the best part of six months for mine - with normal 'as and when' usage. But ............. I enjoyed the new sound straight away; the inevitable performance bumps in the road becoming less and less severe as time passed.

DR'ing the 500 really does turn it into something extra-special and quite different to its original less sophisticated self. Arguably it becomes a NAP750 at a relatively reasonable price.

Easily a more substantial upgrade than DR'ing a 552 to these ears.

Enjoy.

John.

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by MDS

A good post which I enjoyed reading.  That's quite a system transformation over two years. Not surprised to learn that you're really enjoying what you now have.

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by Kubinkast

Great reading, Thank You!

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by ChrisH

Great summary, I think you have a lot more to look forward to by the sounds of it.

Thanks for posting!

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by ayisgroovy

Thank you everyone and Happy New year greetings.  The 500 and 500 DR+service were both significant steps up from my 135s (which were serviced).  Great though the latter are, the grunt and confidence of the 500 really makes a big impact even at low listening levels.

Posted on: 03 January 2017 by Richieroo

Hi your findings are similar to mine .... I have had mine playing for a month now ..... and there has been a huge improvement .... the amp sounds pacier faster with more kick and detail ...... the sound has opened up nicely. I found a track which really - tests and shows off this amp.... try Vangelis  Pulsar ..... at a reasonably loud level set at the intro..... wow.

Posted on: 03 January 2017 by Chris Bell

At first it sounds good, then it sounds bad for a few weeks.  Then, when you have given up hope, it starts to sound amazing.  Keeps getting better as time goes on.  Enjoy! 

Posted on: 04 January 2017 by ayisgroovy

Yes, I noticed a dip in performance to very average around weeks 2-3 but has improved since then. I am at week 6 at the moment. Judging from Forumite comments, if the (noticeable) improvements stretch to 6m then I'm really looking forward to it!

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Richieroo

Week 7 - sound really opening up ..... base seems allot stronger - faster and deeper to the point where I think I will have to move my speakers out further from the rear wall. My little speakers seem to have gained about 1/2 an octave!!!

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by J.N.

DR'ing the 500 is interesting. Richie talks of stronger bass. I got leaner, cleaner bass from my Titans and a local friend with NBL's got a fuller, warmer sound (in a good way) from his DR'd 500. 

So the upgraded amp seems to respond differently with different loudspeakers. Myself and the said local friend both experienced a 24 hour 'thin and screechy' (bordering on the unlistenable) episode, a couple of weeks into run-in. It soon passed and the SQ was swiftly back on an uphill trajectory.

One soon accustoms to the new sound - having had my DR'd 500 for nearly one year. I heard a standard 500 on known speakers recently and the sound was generally (comparatively) a bit foggy.

John.

 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Darke Bear

My set of 500DR are entering their six month point and still improving, to my pleasure!

As has been said, there is a rough 3-4 week run-in up and down period and then after week 4 you think you have arrived - but you are far from there.

More refinement and better rendition of detail is what I notice improving with time, as well as subtle changes to the presentation - after the very big change to the presentation of the DR 500 at one month run-in.

It is more revealing and you will be rewarded more by paying attention to all the little set-up things and cable-freedom of the Burndies...etc...

I know I am very far from hearing all these can do in my own system, but just enjoying the richer-textures and fuller presentation of the music right now is more than enough.

I feel that a system rebuild in Feb may happen to improve my layout, but it is not essential right now.

Enjoy.

DB.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by J.N.

Gary's post above has made me realise that I should have stated 'mostly uphill trajectory' after the first few weeks. 

I found that the severity of the bumps in the road gradually lessened as time passed, and it makes a lot of sense to me that in Gary's more revealing 'set', with three DR'd amps, that he is continuing to hear changes beyond the six month point. 

As ever - don't tell your normal friends!

Good listening y'all. 

John. 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by rsch
J.N. posted:

Gary's post above has made me realise that I should have stated 'mostly uphill trajectory' after the first few weeks. 

I found that the severity of the bumps in the road gradually lessened as time passed, and it makes a lot of sense to me that in Gary's more revealing 'set', with three DR'd amps, that he is continuing to hear changes beyond the six month point. 

As ever - don't tell your normal friends!

Good listening y'all. 

John. 

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Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Dustysox
J.N. posted:

DR'ing the 500 is interesting. Richie talks of stronger bass. I got leaner, cleaner bass from my Titans and a local friend with NBL's got a fuller, warmer sound (in a good way) from his DR'd 500. 

So the upgraded amp seems to respond differently with different loudspeakers. Myself and the said local friend both experienced a 24 hour 'thin and screechy' (bordering on the unlistenable) episode, a couple of weeks into run-in. It soon passed and the SQ was swiftly back on an uphill trajectory.

One soon accustoms to the new sound - having had my DR'd 500 for nearly one year. I heard a standard 500 on known speakers recently and the sound was generally (comparatively) a bit foggy.

John.

 

Hi John,

Fingers in ears...la la la not listening! Just waiting on "the Calling"! Great to read these threads and the enjoyment had by all on DR upgrade which does seem to be  a bigger step than the 552 DR upgrade. 

I see DB has woken briefly form hibernating. Be careful guys..bare with a sore head...not good!!!!

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Harry

My bass went a bit tighter and more detailed. Pretty much what I was hoping for. No increase in volume or reach. None necessary. I expect a lot of it is down to room and speakers. 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by ayisgroovy

Thanks @Richieroo, @DB, @J.N., @Dustysox, @Harry. I am now at the end of week8 and can safely say that I've not had any "off" days since week5 or so.  I can honestly say that the fabric of the music has morphed into a tighter weave since my non-DR guise and has gradually improved since the DR upgrade was done. I feel that now with most of the music I play, be it NDS sourced, LP12, 320k iRadio, or even 64k radio, the music has more gusto and meaningfulness (?) to it.  I find myself appreciating the instruments more (because they are more evident with easier to hear timbre) and the overall track/song and find myself less of a need to think about tweaking things or fiddling around the back of the system to check things. I simply put some tunes on and enjoy!  Again as I had mentioned earlier in the thread, if the improvement plateau only comes approx 6m down the line then I still have a lot more positive surprises to enjoy!  I can only imagine that the fellow Naimees here with active 500DR systems must be beaming from ear to ear  Happy Friday everyone and have a great tuneful weekend!

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Bodger

Hmm, maybe time mine went back then. Seems like that little sticker on the back works wonders. I hear turnaround times are much improved too.

Dave

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by ayisgroovy

It's more than a sticker, it's a new back panel with the DR logo. On top of this it looks like all the sockets are replaced (they look very clean and new) and give the beautiful case a good polish!

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Richieroo

Great to see all these posts .... I hope one day to get bigger speakers to really stretch my amp. A nice pair of Magico

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Richieroo

speakers would do a treat ..... sorry slipped Samsung sent incompleto messagico. ....

Posted on: 23 January 2017 by Richieroo

Approaching 2.5 months now ........ base seems to be getting more and more drive ........ I will be forced to move my speakers further away from the rear wall ..... as base is now effecting mid range.