Hugo to Naim Amp - Which Interconnects?

Posted by: endlessnessism on 12 December 2016

I have just ordered a Hugo as a gift for my father.  He has a Nait XS and I'd like to make sure he's got the right interconnects.  

From the source into the Hugo, do Hugo users recommend optical or coaxial (or something else)?

From the Hugo to a Nait XS is it RCA to DIN?  I'd be grateful if someone could tell me exactly which interconnect I need (how many pins on the DIN, for example) as I have made mistakes with this in the past.

Would it be the same interconnect from the Hugo to a 282?  I assume so, in which case I will take the opportunity to do a quick comparison with my Naim DAC.

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by james n

You'll need an RCA to 5 pin DIN cable - Chord etc will have exactly what you need and yes this will work on your 282 (or you could use RCA to RCA at a push)

From source to Hugo - might be worth stating what the source will be which will somewhat dictate your choice of digital input 

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by endlessnessism

Thanks, and a good point.

My main source is a Bluesound Node which I connect optically to my Naim DAC.

My father uses Sonos via RCA into a Nait XS.  Unless someone tells me otherwise I'd arrange for him to go optically from Sonos into the Hugo.

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by james n

Good choice - I'd go optical with the Sonos. 

James

 

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I use a Naim Hiline Phono to DIN lead between Hugo and Naim preamp input - really works well - most natural and great bass and low level detail of the leads I have tried.

Digital transport lead - it depends on whether the transport source is galvanically isolated. If not then go optical such as with Sonos. If it is galvanically isolated like NDX transport go coax.

Simon

 

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by fps1k

I use Chord Signature, digital and analogue cables from NDX> Hugo> 282 - as recommended by Chord. More detail and air, loses a small amount of bass drive compared with the Hi-Line/ DC1 alternatives...

 

Posted on: 12 December 2016 by Innocent Bystander
endlessnessism posted:

I have just ordered a Hugo as a gift for my father.  He has a Nait XS and I'd like to make sure he's got the right interconnects.  

From the source into the Hugo, do Hugo users recommend optical or coaxial (or something else)?

From the Hugo to a Nait XS is it RCA to DIN?  I'd be grateful if someone could tell me exactly which interconnect I need (how many pins on the DIN, for example) as I have made mistakes with this in the past.

Would it be the same interconnect from the Hugo to a 282?  I assume so, in which case I will take the opportunity to do a quick comparison with my Naim DAC.

That's a very generous and kind gift! He obviously broughtbyou up well!

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by endlessnessism

Well the Hugo has arrived, and I'm very impressed and will find it difficult to pack it off to my father but will manage.

I have got all the interconnects sorted - thanks to all for the help with this.

A couple of further questions:

There's an option to select line level volume output.  I have tried this and it doesn't seem to make a huge difference when listening via my 282 and 250.  Also, the Hugo user manual says the volume control is still active with line level output, and it is, which is not really what I understand line level to be - I thought it gave a fixed volume output and I would then control volume via my 282, or alternatively via Sonos (which is how I'm experimenting, given that's what my father uses).  What do others do - line level or not?  Generally I like to minimise my volume control options, as it's very easy to get out of sync.

There's also something called crossfeed.  I'll try playing with it but it reads like something for headphones only.  Does anyone use it?

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by Innocent Bystander

Crossfeed is indeed for headphones, in effect reducing the extreme separation between left and right, supposedly making it sound more like listening through speakers.

I only used in non line level mode, when first using with a preamp I set to allow reasonable volume control motion on the pre, but then when I abandoned using a preamp Hugo's voume control was the sole control. That said, popular opinion seems to be thta when used into a preamp setting atbturquise sounds best.

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by No quarter

The line level on the Hugo sets it to the same output level every time,kind of a starting point if you power it down,yet the volume is still active if you turn the little wheel.Just set it and use the 282 to control the volume.I used to leave mine powered on all the time,along with the rest of my Naim gear.

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by endlessnessism

Atbturquise?  Is that a typo or a word I don't understand?

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by endlessnessism

My father will keep his DAC (i.e. his new Hugo) inside a cupboard with his amp, so it will be a case of fixed volume on both of them and he'll use his Sonos to control the volume of what he's listening to.   I do the same at my place.  It sounds like line level on the Hugo is a bit of a red herring.  

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by Peter Dinh
endlessnessism posted:

Atbturquise?  Is that a typo or a word I don't understand?

Turquoise - greenish blue color

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by endlessnessism

I see (said the blind man). 

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by Innocent Bystander
Peter Dinh posted:
endlessnessism posted:

Atbturquise?  Is that a typo or a word I don't understand?

Turquoise - greenish blue color

Yes, apologies for not checking what the ipad recorded when I thought I had typed "at turquoise"!

Posted on: 17 December 2016 by nickpeacock
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

I use a Naim Hiline Phono to DIN lead between Hugo and Naim preamp input - really works well - most natural and great bass and low level detail of the leads I have tried.

...

Simon

 

I use exactly the same (largely because Simon spoke so highly of it...)

Posted on: 17 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk
endlessnessism posted:

My father will keep his DAC (i.e. his new Hugo) inside a cupboard with his amp, so it will be a case of fixed volume on both of them and he'll use his Sonos to control the volume of what he's listening to.   I do the same at my place.  It sounds like line level on the Hugo is a bit of a red herring.  

So he will be using the Sonos to alter the volume digitally before he sends to the DAC (Hugo) via SPDIF? This will lead to below par performance i am afraid in my opinion. The Sonos works best at line level digital output (i.e. The digital signal is not adjusted) and a downstream preamp adjusts the volume. I suggest in your fathers set up it might not  be worth using a DAC like the Hugo but use a cheaper variant . The quality of the digital signal will be such that the most of the benefits of using the Hugo will most likely be eclipsed.

Simon

Posted on: 17 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Innocent Bystander posted:

Crossfeed is indeed for headphones, in effect reducing the extreme separation between left and right, supposedly making it sound more like listening through speakers.

I only used in non line level mode, when first using with a preamp I set to allow reasonable volume control motion on the pre, but then when I abandoned using a preamp Hugo's voume control was the sole control. That said, popular opinion seems to be thta when used into a preamp setting atbturquise sounds best.

I agree about the preamp setting, but to be clear the turquoise line level setting is the optimum setting for many with Naim  NACs and not neccessarily with non Naim preamps.