AKG K812 into 272 Headphone jack..or?

Posted by: Wm. on 13 December 2016

Anybody have any experience comparing the headphone jack of the 272 versus some other setup with your home listening?  My gear:   272/250-DR/Superline (HC-DR)/P9 . Any common knowledge on how to best utilize the K812?  Just don't have the experience of listening through say a Chord Hugo vs  272 headphone jack.  Thanks!

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Emre

I see that you are in USA,  the land of exotic tube amps, zana deux, dna, Ray Samuel's and last but not least schiit audio have a huge choice of very good amps

Maybe arcam and violectric becomes exotic over there

I listened zana deux and used to own schiit lyr, good amps if you dig the sound and ready to change some tubes

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by No quarter
ChrisSU posted:
Wm. posted:

2.  The Hugo, while excellent, may not be the best fit for me, as I have a good DAC already and no optical output from the 272. 

There's no optical out, but there is a coax. SPDIF out, which seems to be the preferred way of connection a Hugo to a Naim streamer, so I wouldn't rule it out just on those grounds.

You are correct there,the Hugo is a swiss army knife when it comes to connections,you could connect it directly to a source(cd player,computer,i-pad) or run it from the 272 coax digital out and run all your streamed music,internet radio through it.Or you could feed a source to it,then use the analog inputs to the 272,a very versatile little machine.I take mine to work with me sometimes and stream Tidal from my i-pad to the Hugo,sounds excellent.Sorry Adam if i came off as rude,i never meant it that way.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Wm.

The issue with the Hugo in my setup is that I listen to a fair bit of vinyl, and it is my understanding it would be cumbersome to listen to that source through the 272 into the Hugo into the headphones.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk
ChrisSU posted:
Wm. posted:

2.  The Hugo, while excellent, may not be the best fit for me, as I have a good DAC already and no optical output from the 272. 

There's no optical out, but there is a coax. SPDIF out, which seems to be the preferred way of connection a Hugo to a Naim streamer, so I wouldn't rule it out just on those grounds.

Totally agree - assuming the N-272 has a galvanically decoupled SPDIF like the Naim streamers - it should work well with the N-272. I am sure I have seen a few on this forum who indeed do this with their 272s

Simon

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Wm.
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Wm. posted:

2.  The Hugo, while excellent, may not be the best fit for me, as I have a good DAC already and no optical output from the 272. 

There's no optical out, but there is a coax. SPDIF out, which seems to be the preferred way of connection a Hugo to a Naim streamer, so I wouldn't rule it out just on those grounds.

Totally agree - assuming the N-272 has a galvanically decoupled SPDIF like the Naim streamers - it should work well with the N-272. I am sure I have seen a few on this forum who indeed do this with their 272s

Simon

But I think I am being told that my P9/Superline/HC-DR chain will not come through that output? Meaning, the 272 won't send that analog signal through? I am confused..

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

ahh - I might have mis understood - I thought you were talking about using the N-272 in two stages. A N-272 digital transport -> Hugo -> N-272 analogue input. I have-not done this and so I can't confirm its possible but as I say I thought others have done this - perhaps best to get confirmed with some one who has indeed done this... - but you can certainly connect a Naim coax SPDIF output to a Hugo....

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by hungryhalibut

It won't work. 

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Thanks Nigel for confirming about the N-272

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by MDS
Hungryhalibut posted:

It won't work. 

Seeing your post appear in the Comments column I thought you'd entered the Brexit thread, HH. Ah well.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by hungryhalibut

If you think it through, you'd need to set the 272's input to be the output from the Hugo. Then how do you set the input to get the music into the 272 streamer in the first place? That's why it can't work. 

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by hungryhalibut
MDS posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

It won't work. 

Seeing your post appear in the Comments column I thought you'd entered the Brexit thread, HH. Ah well.

I'm keeping away from that thread, it makes me too cross. Not a good thing when you have an ABI. 

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Very sensible HH

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Wm.

That was my understanding..so back to analog (or DIN?) 272 output to headphone amp.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Hungryhalibut posted:

If you think it through, you'd need to set the 272's input to be the output from the Hugo. Then how do you set the input to get the music into the 272 streamer in the first place? That's why it can't work. 

Yes that did cross my mind on reflection - I guess the digital section would have had to work independently of the source selection - and knowing how Naim design other components that would be unlikely - and you have confirmed not possible.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by MDS
Hungryhalibut posted:
MDS posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

It won't work. 

Seeing your post appear in the Comments column I thought you'd entered the Brexit thread, HH. Ah well.

I'm keeping away from that thread, it makes me too cross. Not a good thing when you have an ABI. 

Probably wise....but the issue will run for years and years so lots of time to get involved when you're firing on all cylinders again  

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by ChrisSU
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

If you think it through, you'd need to set the 272's input to be the output from the Hugo. Then how do you set the input to get the music into the 272 streamer in the first place? That's why it can't work. 

Yes that did cross my mind on reflection - I guess the digital section would have had to work independently of the source selection - and knowing how Naim design other components that would be unlikely - and you have confirmed not possible.

That limitation applies to all the Units and streaming preamps.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by No quarter

Personally I do not use my Hugo with the 272,and I thought it would work coming from the digital out,but have not tried that,I just run it either off my I-pad or my laptop and it sounds better than the 272's headphone out.I prefer to keep everything Naim with regards to the 272 system...but I don't use anything but speakers when at home.One thing I did try was the digital out from my 272 directly into my Dynaudio xd 600's(active) and that worked really well.

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by Emre

Forget about Hugo! İt i perfect choice for dac/ amp but ıt is not a suitable choice as an "amp" with 272/turntable and it is expensive for amp only

Posted on: 15 December 2016 by hungryhalibut
Emre posted:

Forget about Hugo! 

Post of the year!!

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Emre posted:

Forget about Hugo! İt i perfect choice for dac/ amp but ıt is not a suitable choice as an "amp" with 272/turntable and it is expensive for amp only

I agree -  and further you can't use the Hugo as an amp only - the amp is an integral part of the output stage of its DAC - with no analogue only input..

Posted on: 16 December 2016 by Wm.

Nice!  Gonna look at the Vioelectric V200 and the Linear Tube Audio microZOTL2.0.

Any analog interconnect recommendations?