Uniti Core Questions?

Posted by: gmischol on 29 December 2016

So I picked up my new Uniti Core this morning. Installation and configuration is just really easy. But there may always be some questions to be asked. So if you have questions, I suggest you post them here

My question so far: I started to import my music from the Uniti Serve now. Until it will have finished, maybe a day will be gone. Now, you can interrupt it. But what does this mean? Will all the transferred files be deleted or will the Uniti Core just pause and resume, when you start the import again?

Posted on: 29 December 2016 by Chag...

How is the UC SQ compared to US? That would be the first question. 

What drive are you using? SSD or HDD?  Have you been using a linear supply with your US? 

Chag -

Posted on: 30 December 2016 by meissmar

I picked it up today and the app from the google play store does not find it, whether it's on my S5 Neo or Samsung Tab S Android tablet. Adding it manually does not work either. When trying to add it manually, I can't even select a Uniti Core.

Posted on: 30 December 2016 by ChrisSU

I believe the new version of the Naim app that controls the Core has not yet been released as an Android app. Until the update arrives, it's iOS only.

Posted on: 30 December 2016 by meissmar

I thought that as well when I've seen that the last Android update was in September. Too bad, since I don't have any "i" somethings around.

Posted on: 30 December 2016 by ChrisSU
meissmar posted:

I thought that as well when I've seen that the last Android update was in September. Too bad, since I don't have any "i" somethings around.

Annoying for you, but if you're running a Naim streamer you should still be able to access the Core as a server, I presume?

Posted on: 30 December 2016 by French Rooster

yes, but via the remote. not as friendly as on a tablet but the same sound...

Posted on: 31 December 2016 by nbpf
meissmar posted:

I picked it up today and the app from the google play store does not find it, whether it's on my S5 Neo or Samsung Tab S Android tablet. Adding it manually does not work either. When trying to add it manually, I can't even select a Uniti Core.

Can you see the Core in a generic control point for Android like for instance Bubble UPnP or Linn Kazoo?

Posted on: 31 December 2016 by ChrisSU
Keler Pierre posted:

yes, but via the remote. not as friendly as on a tablet but the same sound...

I wasn't aware that there was a remote for the Core? 

Posted on: 31 December 2016 by David Hendon

I think you do need the IOS app because you can't tell the Core what to do without it, for example you can't tell it whether to use an internal disc or a network share. Best suggestion if you can't get a mate with an Apple device round is to take it back to the dealer and get them to set it up for you.  Or that they come to your house with an Apple device would be a better option.  There are lots of pages explaining how you set up the Core under Support on the Core product page on Naim's website. It's probably worth looking through all of those at some point.

best

David

Posted on: 31 December 2016 by French Rooster
ChrisSU posted:
Keler Pierre posted:

yes, but via the remote. not as friendly as on a tablet but the same sound...

I wasn't aware that there was a remote for the Core? 

i was speaking about the remote of the nds or ndx when the uniticore is used in ethernet mode.

Posted on: 31 December 2016 by ChrisSU
Keler Pierre posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Keler Pierre posted:

yes, but via the remote. not as friendly as on a tablet but the same sound...

I wasn't aware that there was a remote for the Core? 

i was speaking about the remote of the nds or ndx when the uniticore is used in ethernet mode.

If you have a streamer the current Naim app is going to work with it, and the Core should still be seen as a Server, although the app would still be needed for it behind the scenes. However, I believe Meissmar has an N-Dac so presumably will feed it by SPDIF, and will need the app to control from the Core. 

Posted on: 02 January 2017 by meissmar

Thanks for all your input!

I wanted to use it with the dig out. It has still factory settings and I don't know how to access it to change these without the app. I also need to copy the music files from the NAS to it's internal drive. My dealer will be open tomorrow. Gonna pay them a visit.

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by Scott McD

First post on these forums. Hopefully this is not a silly question and that it's OK to add my own question to this thread. I’m really interested in the Uniti Core as a digital source connected via a DAC into my existing amp (I don’t need complicated multi-room wireless set-ups - I’m just a bit over hunting through CDs; a hard disk or SSD source would be more convenient).  Can I do this without maintaining an ethernet connection to a router during playback? Page 9 from the Quick Start guide makes it looks like this is possible; I’m just hoping to confirm you can still control the Core via the app without an ethernet connection.  (I understand you’d probably need an ethernet connection when ripping CDs and I’m OK with that.)  Has anyone tried this?

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by David Hendon

You have to have an Ethernet connection to the Core because that is how the app connects to it.

best

David

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by Scott McD

Thanks David. Much appreciated. Not the answer I was hoping for - but I was kind of expecting that might be the case.

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by nbpf
Scott McD posted:

First post on these forums. Hopefully this is not a silly question and that it's OK to add my own question to this thread. I’m really interested in the Uniti Core as a digital source connected via a DAC into my existing amp (I don’t need complicated multi-room wireless set-ups - I’m just a bit over hunting through CDs; a hard disk or SSD source would be more convenient).  Can I do this without maintaining an ethernet connection to a router during playback? Page 9 from the Quick Start guide makes it looks like this is possible; I’m just hoping to confirm you can still control the Core via the app without an ethernet connection.  (I understand you’d probably need an ethernet connection when ripping CDs and I’m OK with that.)  Has anyone tried this?

As David explained, in order to control the core via a control point running on a mobile device, both the Core and the mobile device have to be connected to the same network.

But I would expect a wireless connection (of the Core, of course, your mobile device will most likely be connected wirelessly) to be more than enough because, if you are streaming from the Core directly to a DAC via SPDIF, no data need to be transferred over the LAN.

I also would expect that, if you do not need or do not care about information that can be retrieved from internet services, you do not need an internet connection no matter whether you are using the Core's ripping services, UPnP services or rendering services.

Finally, I would expect that after you have started replay through the control point running on your mobile device, you can disconnect the latter from the network and the Core will keep on playing until the replay queue is consumed.

This is at least how it works on my system based on a dedicated music server directly connected to a Naim DAC.

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by David Hendon

NBPF

The Core does not support any wireless connection.

best

David

Posted on: 05 January 2017 by nbpf
David Hendon posted:

NBPF

The Core does not support any wireless connection.

best

David

Ooops, that seems a major weakness but thanks for the precisation! Best, nbpf

Posted on: 06 January 2017 by Scott McD

I'm learning a bit here (thank you Google). It sounds like in other situations where an ethernet connection isn't practical, an alternative is to use a wireless bridge. I'm assuming that approach could work here - but I'm hoping someone will call out if there is a flaw in that logic.

Posted on: 06 January 2017 by Bart
Scott McD posted:

I'm learning a bit here (thank you Google). It sounds like in other situations where an ethernet connection isn't practical, an alternative is to use a wireless bridge. I'm assuming that approach could work here - but I'm hoping someone will call out if there is a flaw in that logic.

You should have good success with an Apple Airport Express or something similar, yes.

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Scott McD posted:

I'm learning a bit here (thank you Google). It sounds like in other situations where an ethernet connection isn't practical, an alternative is to use a wireless bridge. I'm assuming that approach could work here - but I'm hoping someone will call out if there is a flaw in that logic.

Could work - but you do understand that network performance will be less than a direct wired connection...

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Bart

If it's just for Naim App - to Core communication, and cd lookup, and NOT music streaming, I'd GUESS that a wireless access point back to the home router would be satisfactory.  But it does beg the question of how robust the home wifi is generally, and whether the access point will be situated in a spot with a decent signal.

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by ChrisSU
Bart posted:

If it's just for Naim App - to Core communication, and cd lookup, and NOT music streaming, I'd GUESS that a wireless access point back to the home router would be satisfactory.  But it does beg the question of how robust the home wifi is generally, and whether the access point will be situated in a spot with a decent signal.

Not necessarily, it depends how and where you use it. I once had my Unitiserve wired to my Router via an Airport Extreme, and my streamer in another room wired to an Airport Express, and it worked fine once I had it set up right, I even managed to stream 24/192 over WiFi much to my surprise. 

If the Core is close to the streamer, or playing via SPDIF to a DAC, then yes, the WiFi is only for the control app, and online metadata retrieval. 

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by nbpf
Bart posted:

If it's just for Naim App - to Core communication, and cd lookup, and NOT music streaming, I'd GUESS that a wireless access point back to the home router would be satisfactory.  But it does beg the question of how robust the home wifi is generally, and whether the access point will be situated in a spot with a decent signal.

My main music server has the weakest signal strenght  (about -65 dBm) and the lowest transfer rate (about 150 Mbit/s) of all devices connected to the wireless in our household. Still, I never experienced problems controlling the server from mobile devices or from my laptop. I do not see what could be the advantages of using wired connections for control purposes. Even latency measures seem to be slightly better (or, perhaps, just not worse) through the wireless. I have also no problems streaming 24/192 to a Chromecast Audio in the kitchen (albeit from a Rasperry Pi wired to the router, not from the main music server) or watching highres video streams (DCH, Fidelio, etc.) through the wireless. Of course, the same router, devices, etc. will work differently in different households and in different environments. But I would give a wireless connection a try before laying down ethernet cables across the house. For me, having a system that would work flawlessly without wired connections was mandatory and one of the reasons why I did not buy a streamer. So far I do not regret this choice. It is simple, reliable and lightweight. Best, nbpf