Hugo 2

SongStream posted:

analogmusic posted:

 

Hugo 2 has 49000 Taps WTA filter, Dave 168,000 tap WTA filter

Hugo 2 has 10E pulse array DAC, Dave has 20 E (element)

Hugo 2 has a 49 core FPGA, Dave has 168 cores.

The Blu2 upsampler will have something like 760 cores to render a million taps, and those million taps are only available in combination with Dave.

It can upsample to 500,000 taps to the lesser brethren like Hugo 2 though, and also to a non-chord DAC like NDAC 

Well that explains everything.  Do you know what any of that actually means?  I sure don't.

Also, if the answer to my last question is 'yes', please don't try and explain it, because I couldn't care less.

Why write a post on something that you don't care then, but wait don't answer , we don't Care! 

Emre posted:

SongStream posted:

analogmusic posted:

 

Hugo 2 has 49000 Taps WTA filter, Dave 168,000 tap WTA filter

Hugo 2 has 10E pulse array DAC, Dave has 20 E (element)

Hugo 2 has a 49 core FPGA, Dave has 168 cores.

The Blu2 upsampler will have something like 760 cores to render a million taps, and those million taps are only available in combination with Dave.

It can upsample to 500,000 taps to the lesser brethren like Hugo 2 though, and also to a non-chord DAC like NDAC 

Well that explains everything.  Do you know what any of that actually means?  I sure don't.

Also, if the answer to my last question is 'yes', please don't try and explain it, because I couldn't care less.

Why write a post on something that you don't care then, but wait don't answer , we don't Care! 

Not bad. 

I am not crazy about the Micro USB connections, and now there are two of them!

Emre posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I wouldn't worry too much IB. My guess would be about halfway between a Mojo and a Dave.

Wasn't it already There? 

I'm not sure it was. Mojo and Dave are using the newer algorithms.

Brilliant posted:

I am not crazy about the Micro USB connections, and now there are two of them!

The Micro USB connections are work of the devil.

SongStream posted:

analogmusic posted:

 Hugo 2 has 49000 Taps WTA filter, Dave 168,000 tap WTA filter

Hugo 2 has 10E pulse array DAC, Dave has 20 E (element)

Hugo 2 has a 49 core FPGA, Dave has 168 cores.

The Blu2 upsampler will have something like 760 cores to render a million taps, and those million taps are only available in combination with Dave.

It can upsample to 500,000 taps to the lesser brethren like Hugo 2 though, and also to a non-chord DAC like NDAC 

Well that explains everything.  Do you know what any of that actually means?  I sure don't.

It means the music sounds better... probably!

Hungryhalibut posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I wouldn't worry too much IB. My guess would be about halfway between a Mojo and a Dave.

A Dodo?

HH, I think you may be on to something, there are similarities between a Dodo and a Chord DAC.  Both are incredibly ugly

trickydickie posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I wouldn't worry too much IB. My guess would be about halfway between a Mojo and a Dave.

A Dodo?

HH, I think you may be on to something, there are similarities between a Dodo and a Chord DAC.  Both are incredibly ugly

However, unless you need access to its volume control, Hugo is dead easy to hide as it is so small. The same can't be said of a Dodo on the rack...

Innocent Bystander posted:

Tabby cat posted:

The Tap rate must surely be to do with PRAT and that foot tapping nodding your head conection

So if you're not into foot tapping, Hugo's lesser siblings may be better than the higher ones?

Laughing aside these Chord DACs do seem to be pushing the performance envelope.I still haven't heard a Hugo let alone a Dave ,but Iam sure I will at The Hi FI  WigWam Show in March.

A mate has a Chord DAC 64 which I enjoy listening to on his Single Ended Triode based system with Audio Note type J loudspeskers.He is big jazz fan and the DAC 64 sounds really relaxing.Very smooth and organic.No glassy brightness at all.Unlike their amplifiers which look like miniature nuclear power stations and never disappoint when I hear them at  shows at how painful they sound...5 mins max at shows in the past and I am down to the bar for a pint and some asparin  

trickydickie posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I wouldn't worry too much IB. My guess would be about halfway between a Mojo and a Dave.

A Dodo?

HH, I think you may be on to something, there are similarities between a Dodo and a Chord DAC.  Both are incredibly ugly

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... if course if you try to hold too many bees you might just get stung...

james n posted:

analogmusic posted:

 

Hugo 2 has 49000 Taps WTA filter, Dave 168,000 tap WTA filter

Hugo 2 has 10E pulse array DAC, Dave has 20 E (element)

Hugo 2 has a 49 core FPGA, Dave has 168 cores.

The Blu2 upsampler will have something like 760 cores to render a million taps, and those million taps are only available in combination with Dave.

In 2018 Salisbury, a cyborg assassin known as a Terminator arrives from 2039 and steals guns and clothes. Shortly afterwards, Analogmusic, a hi-fi enthusiast from 2039, arrives. He steals clothes and evades the police. The Terminator begins systematically killing men named Rob Watts, whose addresses he finds in the telephone directory. He tracks the third Rob Watts to a audio manufacturer in Kent, but Analog rescues him. The two steal a car and escape with the Terminator pursuing them in a police car.

As they hide in a Hi-Fi shop, Analog explains to Rob that a sophisticated DAC based around the Watts Time Alignment Filter and with a Centillion taps, will become self-aware in the near future and initiate a nuclear holocaust....

(Apologies to James Cameron) 

This is some straight to DVD gold!  Wonder if we can get Nicholas Cage to play Ali?

Look like that 3.5mm jack coax input is a dual coax input that can be used for some sort of m-scaler add on capable of 1 million taps...

Yes, which is great for Hugo 2 owners who have around 8000 gbp to buy that M Scaler

I don't think the tech or pricing has been decided yet for the Hugo 2 add on?

the Blu 2 transport will be priced around 8000 GBP. It's not really a Hugo 2 add, more for the Dave actually, but maybe it can work with the Hugo 2 too as you found out.

my impession was that hugo 2 will have a Poly type add on that has m-scaler tech built in

I doubt very much the Poly will have any kind of Mscaler tech.

You might be right. At least Hugo 2 owners will have the option to try m-scaler.

Seems Chord have taken a leaf out of Niam's book, Hugo now claimed to be shipping late March. Will the Nova be out first? 

analogmusic posted:

 

 

It can upsample to 500,000 taps to the lesser brethren like Hugo 2 though, and also to a non-chord DAC like NDAC 

To me this just doesn't make  sense. The taps equates to the filter kernel size or filter length, and typically here its referring to the reconstruction FIR filter - and this is an integral part of the actual decoder ... But now if you have a digital filter in line before a DAC with its own filter this could be a very high quality filter with a large kernel size (500,000 samples etc) but the overall performance is still determined by the sinc reconstruction filter of the final DAC... perhaps need more information of what this inline filter before the DAC is intending to do.

Please Naim make the following : a new NDAC Mk2 with 555PS for 500 Series level, NDAC Mk2 with XPS for 252 level, bare NDAC Mk2 for 282 level, and alternatively include a  half sized DAC V-2 with a half sized power supply like the HiCap for those who want less rack space or computer audio which includes a headphone amp with 6.5mm jack.  This unit would be lesser quality than full NDAC/XPS . IF equating with Chord as an example, NDAC+555PS = Dave,  NDAC+XPS= HugoTT,  NDAC= Hugo2,  NDAC V-2 + plus HiCap= Hugo2 or NDACV-2= 2Qute. How does that sound? When I look at the current NDS/NDAC/555 structure it equates to more boxes and more cost than many high end brands albeit without clock generators or monoblocks. It's great there are so many choices in the range until the 500 series, perhaps for a small company the varieties of products are too great.  However if the "classic" full sized range are to stay I reckon my idea sounds good. Those who choose the smaller "all in one units" can remain happy with those components without add on's I guess, the other side of the coin is Statement, that requires it's own selective components to match it's quality which I reckon should probably extend down to only the 500 Series. I That's my ideas on this today, as it is I await the new developments on the NDAC before I consider buying it or an alternative.

the hugo changed things , I ran the hugo via ndx for over 2 yrs and I preferred it . The it failed on the power supply ,back for repair then I sold it .  waiting what happens with the hugo 2.

running  the auralic dac now which suits me better, connections on the hugo I was alittle bit of a problem    waited for the naimdac 2 but iam not sure it will ever happen now

auric

My Hugo's batteries died last week , they have  been replaced free of charge under warranty and their customer service has been very good . Does anyone know if the batteries are replaced like for like or were the batteries changed to extend lifespan ? It arrives back today within a week thankfully , it has been greatly missed !

AussieSteve posted:

Please Naim make the following : a new NDAC Mk2 with 555PS for 500 Series level, NDAC Mk2 with XPS for 252 level, bare NDAC Mk2 for 282 level, and alternatively include a  half sized DAC V-2 with a half sized power supply like the HiCap for those who want less rack space or computer audio which includes a headphone amp with 6.5mm jack.  This unit would be lesser quality than full NDAC/XPS . IF equating with Chord as an example, NDAC+555PS = Dave,  NDAC+XPS= HugoTT,  NDAC= Hugo2,  NDAC V-2 + plus HiCap= Hugo2 or NDACV-2= 2Qute. How does that sound? When I look at the current NDS/NDAC/555 structure it equates to more boxes and more cost than many high end brands albeit without clock generators or monoblocks. It's great there are so many choices in the range until the 500 series, perhaps for a small company the varieties of products are too great.  However if the "classic" full sized range are to stay I reckon my idea sounds good. Those who choose the smaller "all in one units" can remain happy with those components without add on's I guess, the other side of the coin is Statement, that requires it's own selective components to match it's quality which I reckon should probably extend down to only the 500 Series. I That's my ideas on this today, as it is I await the new developments on the NDAC before I consider buying it or an alternative.

 

At the same price level I Hope! 

For those interested Rob Watts has been quite active on the Head-Fi Hugo 2 thread over the last few days starting with a post discussing his Hugo 2 technical summary slides then discussing filters etc. 

Starting at page 112.

Hopefully this is not against Forum Rules - Apologies Richard if I have that wrong.