I regret my Naim purchase

Posted by: thekent on 13 January 2017

End of October 2016 I purchased an “ex display” Naim Uniti2 from an authorised retailer.  It came in the box with registration card etc.

Still, it was a huge purchase for myself and I put everything I had financially into it.
After all, my main passion in life is to enjoy listening to music.  It keeps me going.

However, Spotify kept dropping out and so I assumed an ISP problem.
I got a new router from my ISP but the drop outs continued.  Later a BT Engineer came to my property.  I also purchased 2 new signal boosters. There was no problem with my fibre optic internet connection.
To listen to DAB I had an aerial installed on my roof.

By December 2016 (2 months after purchase) the DAB stations dropped out and I asked a Aerial installer to come back.  After numerous tests (and my pockets £ lighter) the engineer found that the Uniti2 was faulty.  It could not pick up any DAB Stations unless switched off for a few minutes. Then a rescan, if I was lucky would pick up a couple of stations 

Previously, I had twice phoned Naim to enquire about streaming the Uniti2 to a Mu-So cube and was advised that you could stream everything including CD’s (I have a Naim call reference number).
For Christmas my family purchased the Mu-So for me to enhance my music listening experience since I am housebound and disabled since suffering a brain tumour.

I have returned the Uniti2 unit to the authorised retailer and contacted Naim several times.  It has far too many faults to accept a repair.
I telephoned and can only say that they were far from helpful with a comeback line; “well it was an ex display model that was 2yrs old anyway!”   Really doesn’t cut it with me.
At the end of the day, I could not stream music by internet connection, nor to the Mu-So cube they claim to take streaming of CD’s, no DAB stations, the unit got very hot and was temperamental.
This unit was not of merchantable quality nor fit for its purpose.

Naim have advised purchasing another router for their app to work because that also drops out …. There really should be a note in the spec before the app is downloaded.  At this time, I cannot afford another router purchase but, they are out of stock of remote controls for the Mu-So.

With my health rendering me disabled, music has played an even larger part in my life. I invested all I had financially into my listening experience.  I deeply regret selling the Marantz separates that I lovingly owned that provided so much listening pleasure.

When I land on the Naim home page to read their statement about how driven they are and read their statement: “Driven by a passion for the same uncompromised listening experiences that our customers demand …… and strive for the emotional experience of the music,” it really does kick me in the teeth.
It has been “emotional” for sure. I have lost a lot of money and without my Unit nor able to use the Mu-So effectively since the app rarely works.

Lesson learned.  This has been a bad purchase, poor customer service and most definitely “emotional.”

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by wenger2015

Sorry to read of your poor naim experience.

I am shocked at Naims response, two years is nothing for the normal quality of a naim box...

I'm sure when Naim,  read this post on the forum, it will be dealt with in a satisfactory way.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

Thank you for your kind words.

In all honesty, I have lost all confidence in Naim.  I was shocked at their response too 
I explained that I am poorly and going to be having more Neurosurgery (should have been Tuesday but 'Im too poorly at present) and they said there was nothing they could do to put right these issues. 
They said I need to  buy another router and they will repair the faulty Unit ...along with the remarks "it was ex-display anyway"  (but still pricey) and "it was a couple of years old already when you purchased it."
I have been without music since December.  I really regret this purchase 

Its a shame when you research products and have high expectations. I know my experience has deterred a friend from purchasing from them.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by GraemeH

[@mention:1566878603985147]

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Sloop John B

The Uniti seems to have been Naim's Edsel, there are many many posts on here from people having difficulties with it.

I always wary of there being 2 sides to every story but you seem to have been hard done by here.

Your contract is with the Naim dealer rather than Naim however and if you think the item purchased was not fit for purpose.

 

The following is a good guide to your rights here

http://www.which.co.uk/consume.../consumer-rights-act

I'd follow this though to the bitter end if I were you, you shouldn't have to contend with this level of service.

 

.SJB

 

 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

Hi.  It might be that I respond twice here because I typed a reply and its vanished.

But, yes I was shocked at Naim's response to 
I really did have high expectations for their products and after doing my research I had felt confident that it was a good purchase.  I thought their products were high quality and reliable.... hence my investment.
Sadly I have lost total faith after the way I was spoken to and the way I have been treated.
I believe a unit with so many faults warrants replacement  with a new unit ....I had no idea of the age of the unit when I purchased it (how would I have known?)

I have tried speaking to them but their response came across cold and uninterested. Apart from the "buy a new router" line.  I incurred additional costs as a result of purchasing the Uniti.

I was supposed to be having more brain surgery next week but too unwell at present so I had high hopes for having something sorted before my return to hospital.

Its a shame as a friend had considered purchasing from them and he has been deterred.  I would advise anyone to think seriously before purchasing.

Gutted doesn't come close
Lisa


Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

Thank you Sloop
I will be trying to follow this to the bitter end but fact is I am having brain surgery ..... it will be impossible with no phone signal and being so poorly.
I explained my circumstances and it fell on deaf ears.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by hungryhalibut

This does sound like something of a nightmare for you. The Uniti has a five year guarantee from the date of purchase, so long as you have registered it, and the dealer needs to get it working. As said above, your contract is with them.

As for the app not working, it does sound like a network issue rather than a fault with the Qb, but not everyone is computer savvy and I'd have thought that the dealer should come round to sort it out. Given that you have a new router there should be no issue. Have you tried connecting the Qb to the router with a cable? I ask this because the wireless can be flaky. If you can get the Qb going you will at least have music while the Uniti is fixed.

It may be worth saying whereabouts you live as there may be someone on here who could pop round and take a look. 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

I registered the Uniti as soon as I purchased it 

I haven't tried connecting the Qb to the router yet but will do so on Monday. Someone is going to bring a new router round to try out...but I will try the Qb with a cable. Kinda defeats the reason the Qb was purchased .... the router is in a difficult place. It would mean a cable running across my living room which isn't ideal.

I live near to Coventry.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Don Atkinson

I am taking your post at face value.

Not being a lawyer, I can't be certain of any advice I might offer, but it is probably your dealer that you should be pushing. I appreciate this will be stressful and your health might limit the amount of pushing you feel able to sustain. Perhaps somebody in your close family could help ?

Equally, I am somewhat surprised that Naim feel willing to tollerate a dealer who doesn't support a customer with a fault-laden piece of equipment. And i'm also disappointed to hear about a customer whom Naim seem content to fob=off with tacky suggestions that a piece of 2 year old second-hand kit is of little interest to them !

I do hope that you can engage the help of a friend and that together with this post, Naim wake up and you have a happy ending to this situation.

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Tony2011

I am astonished at the level of service, or lack of it, you have been describing. I had an issue with one of my units and from the moment I contacted Naim,  I had both Phil and Stephen on the phone and my unit fixed and back on its rack  within five days.

Really strange. Some serious communication breakdown it seems. I wish you luck and hope you get it sorted as soon as possible. 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

Yes that is the crux of it. 
The person I spoke to at Naim really had a "so what" kind of attitude with the penultimate insult "it was already 2yrs old."
I purchased it in good faith from a retailer ..... what more can I say.
I had to resort to this forum.

The retailer seems quite helpful and returned the Uniti to Naim at the start of last week but I am told that it hasn't been looked at yet.

I have explained to Naim that I more Neurosurgery is imminent (should have been Tuesday) and they gave the impression that it really was of no significance.

I really do regret selling my Marantz 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Mike-B

Indeed,  this is not how I understand Naim operate & to me something does seem amiss,  hopefully the [@mention:1566878603985147] post will help.   

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by thekent

I was taken aback to.
I didn't want to resort to posting on here but here I am :-/ 

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by ssmith

Have you tried to call Naim again. When I had problems with the Muso I had to ring a few times before I got someone who solved the problem. The first person I called sounded shocked I was even calling and the second didn't know that the Muso had a deep sleep option. Third time I lucked out and got better help.

I guess Naim like any company have the odd time they get a bit short staffed and perhaps people are put on the front line before they are ready. I have always found email a solid way of complaining as everything is documented.

Good luck

 

Sam

Posted on: 13 January 2017 by Penarth Blues
Sloop John B posted:

The Uniti seems to have been Naim's Edsel, there are many many posts on here from people having difficulties with it.

I always wary of there being 2 sides to every story but you seem to have been hard done by here.

Your contract is with the Naim dealer rather than Naim however and if you think the item purchased was not fit for purpose.

 

The following is a good guide to your rights here

http://www.which.co.uk/consume.../consumer-rights-act

I'd follow this though to the bitter end if I were you, you shouldn't have to contend with this level of service.

 

.SJB

 

 

I defence of the Uniti2 when they do work they are superb as an entry to the world of Naim. I have a Uniti2 and the first 2013 unit I had did indeed develop a fault within the first few months. However once I described the issue to Naim it was replaced with a brand new unit without murmur - not even a suggestion it should be repaired. This was in 2014 and since then the new Uniti2 has formed the center of my Audio, TV and film watching world performing superbly without a hiccup. It is a remarkable piece of kit and I hope the OP gets his sorted out in the manner I think we'd all have expected to happen.

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Klout10

Better to contact either Steve Hopkins or Phil Harris on support@naimaudio.com

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi, I have just picked up this thread, it does appear you have had a poor customer experience from Naim. I do wonder if the router replacement advice is appropriate, as that is more by 'bag' professionally I might be able to help as a forum member. Let me ask a few questions, sorry if you have already answered....

who is your ISP ? (You mention BT engineer, but they are used by many ISPs)

what ISP router do you have?

what broadband bandwidth or speed do you have?

do the dropouts occur consistently (and on Spotify, Tidal, web radio, home streaming)?

do other services you use at home on other computers get dropouts?

how do you connect your Naim device to the router?

 

Dependent on your answers I may be able to suggest there is nothing wrong with your home internet connection.

 

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by ianrobertm

Sorry to read this.  It really should be whoever sold you the Uniti 2 who should be helping you here. Your dealer - whoever that is....? You should not need to contact Naim direct - but you have - and (based on the above) their response seems poor - so far. However, you say your Uniti 2 is now with Naim, via your dealer...? So, lets give the guys & gals in Salisbury a chance to look at it. Perhaps @Phil Harris or @Steve Hopkins might be able to assist with that...?

Naim units are famed for their longevity - my oldest dates from 1985....!!!  Cannot imagine Naim or any of their dealers saying - Well, its over 30 years old, what do you expect...?

 

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Richard Dane

Lisa, sorry to hear about your experience here.  I have notified Steve Hopkins who is Naim's customer service manager.  Unfortunately it is the weekend so you may have to wait until he's back at the factory on Monday.

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Drewy

My talk talk router is crap. Wifi drops out a lot. I often lose 'sight' of my Ethernet wired Superuniti and NDS on my iPad even though they are still happily streaming iradio or Tidal. 

You need to try had wiring at least to prove a point. 

Hope you get it sorted.

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by JamieWednesday

Disabled router on my Virgin combi mega super box III.2 version c alpha thing and added my own dedicated router. Problem solved.

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by thekent
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Hi, I have just picked up this thread, it does appear you have had a poor customer experience from Naim. I do wonder if the router replacement advice is appropriate, as that is more by 'bag' professionally I might be able to help as a forum member. Let me ask a few questions, sorry if you have already answered....

who is your ISP ? (You mention BT engineer, but they are used by many ISPs)

what ISP router do you have?

what broadband bandwidth or speed do you have?

do the dropouts occur consistently (and on Spotify, Tidal, web radio, home streaming)?

do other services you use at home on other computers get dropouts?

how do you connect your Naim device to the router?

 

Dependent on your answers I may be able to suggest there is nothing wrong with your home internet connection.

 

Hi Simon

In answer to your questions:

My ISP is Plusnet (has been for the past 16yrs).
I had a replacement of their router for Fibre which is "Sagecom".  Naim said it is a 'Technicolour' and another person told me that it is the same as the BT router.  
Looking on my Speedtest app I would say my speed averages at around 37Mbps
The dropouts do not occur when streaming Spotify on either my laptop, iPad or iPhone.
I don't use any other services and my network is small. I have a NAS and a wireless printer that is rarely used.
The naim unit was connected wirelessly to the router.

Lisa

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by thekent

All:  I am sorry that my replies to individuals have all appeared in one go - I truly appreciate the feedback 

[@mention:1566878604014594] I have phoned Naim twice to speak to them about it because the retailer (in Coventry) advised that they would speak to Naim as well.   Sadly, this is where I am at.
Some of my Marantz seperates were 'getting on a bit' but the sound quality was excellent. Similarly, I have an old Rotel Amp in my loft (over 40yrs old) and know that it is still ticking. 



Posted on: 14 January 2017 by Hmack
thekent posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Hi, I have just picked up this thread, it does appear you have had a poor customer experience from Naim. I do wonder if the router replacement advice is appropriate, as that is more by 'bag' professionally I might be able to help as a forum member. Let me ask a few questions, sorry if you have already answered....

who is your ISP ? (You mention BT engineer, but they are used by many ISPs)

what ISP router do you have?

what broadband bandwidth or speed do you have?

do the dropouts occur consistently (and on Spotify, Tidal, web radio, home streaming)?

do other services you use at home on other computers get dropouts?

how do you connect your Naim device to the router?

 

Dependent on your answers I may be able to suggest there is nothing wrong with your home internet connection.

 

Hi Simon

In answer to your questions:

My ISP is Plusnet (has been for the past 16yrs).
I had a replacement of their router for Fibre which is "Sagecom".  Naim said it is a 'Technicolour' and another person told me that it is the same as the BT router.  
Looking on my Speedtest app I would say my speed averages at around 37Mbps
The dropouts do not occur when streaming Spotify on either my laptop, iPad or iPhone.
I don't use any other services and my network is small. I have a NAS and a wireless printer that is rarely used.
The naim unit was connected wirelessly to the router.

Lisa

Hi,

I think it is extremely unlikely that your problem is bandwidth related. I now used Tidal's streaming service, but prior to that I used Spotify via my old streamer (Naim ND5XS). I had very few dropouts, and my internet bandwidth is about a tenth of yours (I get around 3.6/3.7 Mbps.

Would it be possible to briefly connect your laptop over your wired network (using the Ethernet cable you use for the Uniti). This might help to eliminate any potential problems with components on your home network. If you experience no problems, then it does look as though your Uniti is at fault.

Posted on: 14 January 2017 by CP62

I am a Naim owner for more then 20 years and i had also some problems but all were solved in a correct way. My mails to Naim where answered the other day and always in a good way. This is the reason why i am still with Naim. Good service is for me more important then a discount. But when streaming came up not all dealers did invest in a good after service. When you  sell Naim your not selling a box but your selling audio equipment made with love what cost a lot of money. So dealers should invest in aftersales and install the streamers for you and look if it will work and give advice. Service to customers should be paramount. i understand computers and it toke me a while to find the good router and airport express. But it toke a while. My dealers did not even knew much . So will not buy from him anymore. i am sure Naim will solve your problem for you. Find a dealers who knows Naim and understand good service. Many good brands went under because of bad service and now with the internet there is no hiding anymore. Dealers should understand that is not plug and play anymore and they should invest in knowledge.