Naim Nac-N272 vs Cambridge 851E, N, D with ATC SCM50ASLT

Adam Zielinski posted:

If you read the N272 manual you will realise that both DIN outputs carry both channels:

If connected to NAP 250 - use only one 4-DIN to XLR

If connected to NAP 300 - use two 4-DIN to XLR cables.

In your case I'd use two DIN outputs - make sure you capture the CH1 and CH2 correctly.

......which is why I use 272 biamped with 2 x Nap250dr, an effective and handy possibility....

Adam Zielinski posted:

If you read the N272 manual you will realise that both DIN outputs carry both channels:

If connected to NAP 250 - use only one 4-DIN to XLR

If connected to NAP 300 - use two 4-DIN to XLR cables.

In your case I'd use two DIN outputs - make sure you capture the CH1 and CH2 correctly.

Thanks Adam, I wanted to be sure as opinions were 50/50 here.

I have 2 mogami cable sets for this purpose - 3 m and 7,5 m.  Which length will be the best for DIN-XLR connection quality wise in my case?

Tesilk posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

If you read the N272 manual you will realise that both DIN outputs carry both channels:

If connected to NAP 250 - use only one 4-DIN to XLR

If connected to NAP 300 - use two 4-DIN to XLR cables.

In your case I'd use two DIN outputs - make sure you capture the CH1 and CH2 correctly.

Thanks Adam, I wanted to be sure as opinions were 50/50 here.

I have 2 mogami cable sets for this purpose - 3 m and 7,5 m.  Which length will be the best for DIN-XLR connection quality wise in my case?

Both will be fine ...

Thanks, will it be possible to give me the pu out?

it is clear for the Ch1 and Ch2, but where goes the 3rd wire from XLR to DIN4? 

The pin-out please 

You can find that in the power-amp manuals (specifically NAP 500 and NAP 300).

Adam Zielinski posted:

You can find that in the power-amp manuals (specifically NAP 500 and NAP 300).

Thanks, but still unclear, is it possible to see the scheme somewhere to understand exactly which XLR wire goes to which DIN pin? Otherwise we can damage it.

Tesilk posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

You can find that in the power-amp manuals (specifically NAP 500 and NAP 300).

Thanks, but still unclear, is it possible to see the scheme somewhere to understand exactly which XLR wire goes to which DIN pin? Otherwise we can damage it.

My suggestion is that you contact Naim at customer service email and explain exactly what you need help with.
What you are asking now is beyond the scope of this forum I'm afraid.

Ok thanks 

pjb_4465 posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

If you read the N272 manual you will realise that both DIN outputs carry both channels:

If connected to NAP 250 - use only one 4-DIN to XLR

If connected to NAP 300 - use two 4-DIN to XLR cables.

In your case I'd use two DIN outputs - make sure you capture the CH1 and CH2 correctly.

......which is why I use 272 biamped with 2 x Nap250dr, an effective and handy possibility....

pjb 4465

Can you please elaborate a bit more on your setup...what speakers do you use ?I assume they accommodate bi-wiring,my Taksim's also do,and i use a 272 with a single 250 dr. The consensus on this forum would appear to be to go to a 300 dr,rather than bi-amping.Is that all you need,is the 2 cables and 2 amps?I am not saying i need more power,just keeping the door open for the future,i have never heard anyone bi-amping off a 272 before.

No quarter posted:

pjb_4465 posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

If you read the N272 manual you will realise that both DIN outputs carry both channels:

If connected to NAP 250 - use only one 4-DIN to XLR

If connected to NAP 300 - use two 4-DIN to XLR cables.

In your case I'd use two DIN outputs - make sure you capture the CH1 and CH2 correctly.

......which is why I use 272 biamped with 2 x Nap250dr, an effective and handy possibility....

pjb 4465

Can you please elaborate a bit more on your setup...what speakers do you use ?I assume they accommodate bi-wiring,my Taksim's also do,and i use a 272 with a single 250 dr. The consensus on this forum would appear to be to go to a 300 dr,rather than bi-amping.Is that all you need,is the 2 cables and 2 amps?I am not saying i need more power,just keeping the door open for the future,i have never heard anyone bi-amping off a 272 before.

I use active ATC SCM50ASLTs. XLR inputs. So everything is done by ATC, no additional setup needed. 

Hi guys, any thoughts or experience with damping cones or absorbers on 272 or/and XPS? My speakers are with Soundcare Superspikes, I use Solidsteel racks, so I was wondering if there is something that really makes the difference. 

What about Cold Ray Ceramic under both 272 and XPS?

Just leave it on glass shelves. It will be fine.

Have a look af Fraim is constructed as a reference,

Naim boxes have feet designed to support them properly. You can put all sorts of cones and squishy pads underneath, which will alter the sound, and can end end up fiddling about until the end of your days. 

I've never been keen on steel and glass for racks and it may be worth trying something else. However, if you are happy with the sound, just enjoy it. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Naim boxes have feet designed to support them properly. You can put all sorts of cones and squishy pads underneath, which will alter the sound, and can end end up fiddling about until the end of your days. 

I've never been keen on steel and glass for racks and it may be worth trying something else. However, if you are happy with the sound, just enjoy it. 

Agree, but what keep us going is the never ending process of sq increase, this is the real fun of moving forward, imho.

Because when and if it will finally stop, and there will be no room for improvement, it will be just boring...

But there will always be new music to enjoy, which is surely the point of owning a hifi system. Serial tweakers never seem to be happy with their systems, and if you're not happy with the system you can't enjoy the music. 

Tesilk posted:

Agree, but what keep us going is the never ending process of sq increase, this is the real fun of moving forward, imho.

Because when and if it will finally stop, and there will be no room for improvement, it will be just boring...

The first statement I'm sure applies to some, maybe many, but as HH intimates, crtainly not all of us on this forum - however if that is what gives you fun, then great for you and may you continue to find tweaks to try.

The second statement sounds rather sad - is listening to music boring? If it is, then this does seem to be a strange hobby to have got into, unless it is simply that you hanen't yet found a system that enables the music to engage you, in which case perhaps something more radical is called for rather than tweaks...

Ok guys, today I will be listening to Melody Gardot. Amazing woman. Have a nice Sunday. 

Added Cold Ray Ceramic 4 cones to both 272 and XPS for a test ( 4 each, 8 in total).

After one week of listening, I can say that there is a huge difference. If you can try it - feel free to do it, you will never give it back I think. 

Are you using them in conjunction with a good rack(Naim Fraim) or just sitting on some random surface?

No quarter posted:

Are you using them in conjunction with a good rack(Naim Fraim) or just sitting on some random surface?

I use them in conjunction with Solidsteel H6 rack, each shelf is isolated by spikes also, but Cold Ray is a totally different stuff...

Received finally 2DIN4 - 2XLR cable (Mogami 2534) to connect the 272 to ATCs. 

Another big step forward! Much better than the RCA connection with the same cable (2RCA - 2XLR)

How are the cables wired using 2534, and what XLR plugs are used?

I was going to make similar cables to connect a 272 to a NAP300(DR).

Huge posted:

How are the cables wired using 2534, and what XLR plugs are used?

I was going to make similar cables to connect a 272 to a NAP300(DR).

No idea how they are wired as I did not see them to do it, `I found only one person in Russia who knew how to do it, and now they are sealed, but I was told that the way it is described for the 300 on the back it works.

The cable actually came with Mogami XLR plugs, as it was originally Mogami studio 2XLR - 2XLR cable 7m.