Hi-fi nonsense

feeling_zen posted:

I have been told that being lacquer it is extremely dense and hard and makes the cabinet less prone to resonance and therefore coloration. ...

Interesting.. if you listen to loudspeaker designers like Russell Kaufman he  believes so as to reduce smearing and colouration you need to design the cabinet to resonate sympathetically  with the speaker.... and his speakers offer a variety of finishes including lacquered black... They  also sound very good, open with  great timing... no doubt due to the lack of smearing.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

feeling_zen posted:

I have been told that being lacquer it is extremely dense and hard and makes the cabinet less prone to resonance and therefore coloration. ...

Interesting.. if you listen to loudspeaker designers like Russell Kaufman he  believes so as to reduce smearing and colouration you need to design the cabinet to resonate sympathetically  with the speaker.... and his speakers offer a variety of finishes including lacquered black... They  also sound very good, open with  great timing... no doubt due to the lack of smearing.

This has got me wondering if the different finishes available on Russel's speakers actually cause a difference to the way they sound.......maybe the guys at Signals have done a direct comparison??????

With all else that actually matters involving the sonics within a room, I suspect that the finish on the speakers is very, very low on the list. If you're truly concerned with such a matter you've likely missed the herd of elephants in your room. Or maybe you've culled out every other nuance and have now arrived at the final degree. It begs the question; have you dealt with the color and finish of paint on your walls and ceiling? Lacquered black seems optimal. Good luck with that.

That's obviously true but the point is, with everything else being equal does the cabinet finish make a sonic difference.......

Johnell posted:

That's obviously true but the point is, with everything else being equal does the cabinet finish make a sonic difference.......

The answer has to be no.......unless ones brain starts to play tricks on us...

Naim Forums or Alice's Adventures In Wonderland - not much to choose between them on many occasions, save that the latter is far better written!!

Innocent Bystander

Not sure, but I am reliably informed that if you place a drawing pin on the listening chair sear, point side up, before you sit down it improves listening pleasure...

Nothing to lose, so will give it a go....will report back later from Casualty.. 

wenger2015 posted:

Johnell posted:

That's obviously true but the point is, with everything else being equal does the cabinet finish make a sonic difference.......

The answer has to be no.......unless ones brain starts to play tricks on us...

I have to agree but according to posts earlier in the thread there are some people that don't.  

wenger2015 posted:

Innocent Bystander

Not sure, but I am reliably informed that if you place a drawing pin on the listening chair sear, point side up, before you sit down it improves listening pleasure...

Nothing to lose, so will give it a go....will report back later from Casualty.. 

Please be sure to do a full risk assessment first, as all responsibility for health and safety in the interests of sound quality lies with the listener.

joerand posted:

With all else that actually matters involving the sonics within a room, I suspect that the finish on the speakers is very, very low on the list. If you're truly concerned with such a matter you've likely missed the herd of elephants in your room. Or maybe you've culled out every other nuance and have now arrived at the final degree. It begs the question; have you dealt with the color and finish of paint on your walls and ceiling? Lacquered black seems optimal. Good luck with that.

There may be something in that - have you noticed how these days matt black is a common feature music clubs? 

Which reminds me, back in 1970 in the school summer hols those of us about to enter the sixth form were permitted to go into school and decorate the sixth form common room. We chose matt black and puce, I carted my hifi system in and a group of us set about painting - to the sound of Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid' amongst others as I remember, and I am sure the music sounded even better when we sat down at the end to view our handiwork. It was a bit dark in there, and teachers were rather shocked when they saw it, but it was great! Hifi had to go back home afterwards so it was the only time the room enjoyed itself that much!

No coincidence.  my first true love of my young hearted life had her bedroom painted in Matt black.  Early Marc Bolan and Sabbath never sound so good as they did back then.

Didn't a certain purveyor of hi-fi ancillaries (cables and the like) once make available in his catalogue special cement for earth grounding or something?

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Didn't a certain purveyor of hi-fi ancillaries (cables and the like) once make available in his catalogue special cement for earth grounding or something?

The modern equivalent is ' no more nails'..

I use to use a dealer years ago who's answer to every hifi upgrade was Nordost cables. So much so that a 1k hifi with 10k worth of cables was as good as a 10k hifi with 1k worth of cables or so claimed. Nevertheless, they no longer trade.

Innocent Bystander posted:

joerand posted:

With all else that actually matters involving the sonics within a room, I suspect that the finish on the speakers is very, very low on the list. If you're truly concerned with such a matter you've likely missed the herd of elephants in your room. Or maybe you've culled out every other nuance and have now arrived at the final degree. It begs the question; have you dealt with the color and finish of paint on your walls and ceiling? Lacquered black seems optimal. Good luck with that.

There may be something in that - have you noticed how these days matt black is a common feature music clubs? 

Which reminds me, back in 1970 in the school summer hols those of us about to enter the sixth form were permitted to go into school and decorate the sixth form common room. We chose matt black and puce, I carted my hifi system in and a group of us set about painting - to the sound of Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid' amongst others as I remember, and I am sure the music sounded even better when we sat down at the end to view our handiwork. It was a bit dark in there, and teachers were rather shocked when they saw it, but it was great! Hifi had to go back home afterwards so it was the only time the room enjoyed itself that much!

Was more likely the combination of the black paint and the weed. Sabbath always sounds better that way..

ray sheldon posted:

I use to use a dealer years ago who's answer to every hifi upgrade was Nordost cables. So much so that a 1k hifi with 10k worth of cables was as good as a 10k hifi with 1k worth of cables or so claimed. Nevertheless, they no longer trade.

HiFi is a tough business and cables are the highest margin thing you can come up with. Everyone needs to sell a bit of mysticism and snake oil to help their bottom line. Even Naim has dipped their feet into fairy dust cable land when they used to be full on flat earth, gave you the cable that worked best and that was that. I understand the business case and it's great, why should they let that revenue escape to a third party. I still find the whole thing puzzling.

DUPREE posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

joerand posted:

With all else that actually matters involving the sonics within a room, I suspect that the finish on the speakers is very, very low on the list. If you're truly concerned with such a matter you've likely missed the herd of elephants in your room. Or maybe you've culled out every other nuance and have now arrived at the final degree. It begs the question; have you dealt with the color and finish of paint on your walls and ceiling? Lacquered black seems optimal. Good luck with that.

There may be something in that - have you noticed how these days matt black is a common feature music clubs? 

Which reminds me, back in 1970 in the school summer hols those of us about to enter the sixth form were permitted to go into school and decorate the sixth form common room. We chose matt black and puce, I carted my hifi system in and a group of us set about painting - to the sound of Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid' amongst others as I remember, and I am sure the music sounded even better when we sat down at the end to view our handiwork. It was a bit dark in there, and teachers were rather shocked when they saw it, but it was great! Hifi had to go back home afterwards so it was the only time the room enjoyed itself that much!

Was more likely the combination of the black paint and the weed. Sabbath always sounds better that way..

Hmmm, doesn't apply to all of us! 

I think ultimately, I would rather spend $1000 on something where I could hear even a tiny difference but be sure, than choose a free or minimal cost option (speaker finishes I am not find of, magic safety pins on curtains etc.) and wonder whether or not I can a difference and always have a doubt in my mind.

If you are not sure, or you suspect the difference can be attributed to other factors like mood or placebo, then $1 can be more of a waste of money than $1000 on a minor, but definite, improvement.

ray sheldon posted:

I use to use a dealer years ago who's answer to every hifi upgrade was Nordost cables. So much so that a 1k hifi with 10k worth of cables was as good as a 10k hifi with 1k worth of cables or so claimed. Nevertheless, they no longer trade.

I wonder if 5k hifi with 5k cables sounds better or worse than either of those?

Innocent Bystander posted:

DUPREE posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

joerand posted:

With all else that actually matters involving the sonics within a room, I suspect that the finish on the speakers is very, very low on the list. If you're truly concerned with such a matter you've likely missed the herd of elephants in your room. Or maybe you've culled out every other nuance and have now arrived at the final degree. It begs the question; have you dealt with the color and finish of paint on your walls and ceiling? Lacquered black seems optimal. Good luck with that.

There may be something in that - have you noticed how these days matt black is a common feature music clubs? 

Which reminds me, back in 1970 in the school summer hols those of us about to enter the sixth form were permitted to go into school and decorate the sixth form common room. We chose matt black and puce, I carted my hifi system in and a group of us set about painting - to the sound of Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid' amongst others as I remember, and I am sure the music sounded even better when we sat down at the end to view our handiwork. It was a bit dark in there, and teachers were rather shocked when they saw it, but it was great! Hifi had to go back home afterwards so it was the only time the room enjoyed itself that much!

Was more likely the combination of the black paint and the weed. Sabbath always sounds better that way..

Hmmm, doesn't apply to all of us! 

However it does apply to a large percentage of people jamming Black Sabbath Paranoid Paranoid in the 1970's in a completely blacked out room. '-)  That is an awesome album.... Saw them just last year (Have seen them many times before) - it's amazing Tony Iommi is still a force to be reckoned with just incredible. Ozzie is half brain dead; but he remembered the lyrics and kept up his end of the deal too..

Allante93 posted:

Cryogenics ????????

Has anyone compared an Cryoed Snaic, against an Standard Snaic!!!!!!!!!

Just curious.

 Allante93!

Six Moons 2011

Nano is the new Cryo

“ ….I expect that just like cryo this could in fact become ubiquitous for hifi in a few years' time…"

10 raised to the 3rd power   K   3K = 3 Thousand Big # kilo

10 raised to the neg 3rd milli 

10 raised to the neg 6th, micro

10 raised to the neg 9th Wow, very small in size, nano technology! 

 Avoptions offers Cryogenic Snaic's, Any one familiar with Nano Technology, as it relates to HI Fi ?????

Is this technology, incorporated in The SL, and Statement Technology ????

Allante93!

I rather pay money for a priest to bless my system than pay money for these things.

Sacral music sounded much better on a friends system after the 'service'.

Allante93 posted:

Cryogenics ????????

Has anyone compared an Cryoed Snaic, against an Standard Snaic!!!!!!!!!

Just curious.

 Allante93!

Ted Williams?

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Allante93 posted:

Allante93 posted:

Cryogenics ????????

Has anyone compared an Cryoed Snaic, against an Standard Snaic!!!!!!!!!

Just curious.

 Allante93!

Six Moons 2011

Nano is the new Cryo

“ ….I expect that just like cryo this could in fact become ubiquitous for hifi in a few years' time…"

10 raised to the 3rd power   K   3K = 3 Thousand Big # kilo

10 raised to the neg 3rd milli 

10 raised to the neg 6th, micro

10 raised to the neg 9th Wow, very small in size, nano technology! 

 Avoptions offers Cryogenic Snaic's, Any one familiar with Nano Technology, as it relates to HI Fi ?????

Is this technology, incorporated in The SL, and Statement Technology ????

Allante93!

We have a little cat called Femto, thats 10 raised to the negative 15th!

Ardbeg10y posted:

I rather pay money for a priest to bless my system than pay money for these things.

 

 

Bless your Naim system............may your black boxes sing like celestial beings.......speak these words to your system and report back if you hear any improvement .....