Excitement in the Roonosphere this evening!

Great ��

Any insight into Naim supporting Room natively?

Really really nice update from Roon. 

I have no newer information than this. It sounds to me like Roon integration is factored into the new Uniti range and needs to be "switched on", but that's pure supposition. 

I doubt very much if Roon will come natively to the ND range, but again mere suposition. 

Now I'm off to play with the new parametric equalisation feature. 

.sjb

If I wanted to run Roon on a small pc server, what's the easiest way to integrate it with Naim via UPnP?  

Bart posted:

If I wanted to run Roon on a small pc server, what's the easiest way to integrate it with Naim via UPnP?  

I'd be interested in this also. Coming late to Roon on NAIM but if any tips can be mentioned thats would be great. Will look into Roon more deeply as it gets good notices. Thanks.

I have been testing the latest version of the Sonore UPNP bridge thie evening (v1.09) with Naim UQ2, and I haven't managed to break it so far! Previous problems with tracks skipping or stopping before the end appear to have been fixed. This is great news

Stampie posted:

I have been testing the latest version of the Sonore UPNP bridge thie evening (v1.09) with Naim UQ2, and I haven't managed to break it so far! Previous problems with tracks skipping or stopping before the end appear to have been fixed. This is great news

Can you give me a bit more detail as to how you run this?  It runs on a pc server . . . then do you use the Naim App? Or a Roon app?  . . . to play music on your Qute.

Bart posted:

Stampie posted:

I have been testing the latest version of the Sonore UPNP bridge thie evening (v1.09) with Naim UQ2, and I haven't managed to break it so far! Previous problems with tracks skipping or stopping before the end appear to have been fixed. This is great news

Can you give me a bit more detail as to how you run this?  It runs on a pc server . . . then do you use the Naim App? Or a Roon app?  . . . to play music on your Qute.

The Roon core runs on (in my case) a sonicTransporter i5, which is basically a purpose built computer running a bespoke linux based operating system (known as Sonicorbiter). An additional piece of software has been written to act as a bridge between Roon and devices which don't have Roon compatibility built into them (like NDX, UQ2 etc.). This is installed on the sTi5. I don't know technically how it works, but Roon has Squeezebox Squeezelite capability, and this is what the Sonore UPNP bridge takes advantage of.

In Roon, you simply set-up a squeezebox zone pointing at the UQ2, change a few settings and you're ready to rumble. Essentially, I think of it like an extra input into the UQ2 which is entirely controlled by Roon. The Naim app is not needed (and actually won't work in this scenario), and the volume is controllable from within Roon, or the remote control. The sonore bridge software is still considered beta, but as of v1.09 it is working well for me.

Hope this helps!?

Stampie posted:

Bart posted:

Stampie posted:

I have been testing the latest version of the Sonore UPNP bridge thie evening (v1.09) with Naim UQ2, and I haven't managed to break it so far! Previous problems with tracks skipping or stopping before the end appear to have been fixed. This is great news

Can you give me a bit more detail as to how you run this?  It runs on a pc server . . . then do you use the Naim App? Or a Roon app?  . . . to play music on your Qute.

The Roon core runs on (in my case) a sonicTransporter i5, which is basically a purpose built computer running a bespoke linux based operating system (known as Sonicorbiter). An additional piece of software has been written to act as a bridge between Roon and devices which don't have Roon compatibility built into them (like NDX, UQ2 etc.). This is installed on the sTi5. I don't know technically how it works, but Roon has Squeezebox Squeezelite capability, and this is what the Sonore UPNP bridge takes advantage of.

In Roon, you simply set-up a squeezebox zone pointing at the UQ2, change a few settings and you're ready to rumble. Essentially, I think of it like an extra input into the UQ2 which is entirely controlled by Roon. The Naim app is not needed (and actually won't work in this scenario), and the volume is controllable from within Roon, or the remote control. The sonore bridge software is still considered beta, but as of v1.09 it is working well for me.

Hope this helps!?

Very helpful. So if one purchases a sonicTransporter that is the only additional hardware needed (assuming one already has a music library on a nas).  The sonicTransporter is happy finding music on a nas on the network, correct?

No hard-wire connection between the sonicTransporter and the Qute? Just the home ethernet network connection?

Is iPhone control of music playback possible? Will the Roon iOS app control volume and playback or am I limited to the Naim hardware remote?  You mentioned that volume is controllable within Roon -- not quite sure how you do this.

TY

Very helpful. So if one purchases a sonicTransporter that is the only additional hardware needed (assuming one already has a music library on a nas).  The sonicTransporter is happy finding music on a nas on the network, correct? Yes - although Roon Core can run on a variety of 'computers' such as laptop, MAC etc. - check out Roon site for recommended specs. You can try it out on a computer you already have at home before making a decision.

No hard-wire connection between the sonicTransporter and the Qute? Just the home ethernet network connection? Correct - in fact, my UQ2 is connected wirelessly and works fine (the Sti5 is on ethernet though)

Is iPhone control of music playback possible? Will the Roon iOS app control volume and playback or am I limited to the Naim hardware remote?  You mentioned that volume is controllable within Roon -- not quite sure how you do this. IOS and Android devices supported. Tablet experience is better than phone (in my opinion) but it does the job. Roon can control volume on naim kit like a UQ2, but probably not an NDX (I couldn't control volume on NDX using the naim app either). You don't need to use the naim app at all for playback.

Not sure it's really worth the hassle to set up a UPnP bridge for Roon - HifiBerry Pro + RPi 3 into SPDIF-capable device just works; on the other hand, dealing with a badly-supported Logitech Media Server as the interposing layer is as bad a solution now as it was a decade ago.

The Qute has a digital volume control.  NDX/NDS doesn't - volume is controlled only via 'system automation' which actually controls the pre-amp's volume.

Is it the "Roon Remote" app you use on the tablet or phone?

Bart posted:

The Qute has a digital volume control.  NDX/NDS doesn't - volume is controlled only via 'system automation' which actually controls the pre-amp's volume.

Is it the "Roon Remote" app you use on the tablet or phone?

Yes

Also part of Roon Lab's recent development work is their own 'Roon OS' for Intel-based devices, this an optimized version of Linux, that installs with the Roon Core software, and runs 'heedlessly'. The software is designed to be blackbox, so it installs from a bootable USB key, and self-updates etc. It will just manage the OS, Roon core and the database library (catalogue of your library & the associated metadata), your music library is on external storage (be it a USB drive, or NAS). You then use the Roon apps on Windows, iOS etc as Remotes to access the catalogued library and control the end-points.

So you just to supply the hardware for the 'Roon optimised Core kit' (Rock) - so I have a clean NUC (an older i3, 8GB, 120GB SSD) ready to go, so can move to a Roon core/remote arrangement, ahead of then looking at the arrangement for the end-point into the NDS - UPnP Bridge or repurpose the RaspberryPi I am using as the UPnP server, with a Digi board and use the NDS as a DAC.

Simon