N272 and Turntable

You'll need a phono stage first. 

Hi Finkfan, 

so I assume the phone stage would connect to the N272?

As you would on any of the other current Naim ore-amps.  Am I right in thinking the 272 doesn't power the Stage and Superline?

Hi [@mention:31273966728598883] yes, phono stage sits between deck and pre amp. 

Occasionally the phonostage is hidden inside the turntable.  What kind of turntable and needle do you have? 

The Strat (Fender) posted:

As you would on any of the other current Naim ore-amps.  Am I right in thinking the 272 doesn't power the Stage and Superline?

I think you're right. 

Finkfan posted:

Hi [@mention:31273966728598883] yes, phono stage sits between deck and pre amp. 

Thanks for the advice

It could be because including a powered socket for a Naim phono stage would have unacceptably compromised SQ, but if not, I think omitting a powered aux was an oversight by Naim. The way the market appears to be going, I reckon streaming plus vinyl is increasingly how people consume their music. But having to get a Hicap as well as a stageline seems likely to push consumers towards other phono stages, or even away from the 272.

Dont get a Naim Phonostage, it becomes more and more expensive with power supplies....

and a mediocre turntable will be a disappointment.... i did get a EAT Sharp with ortolan blue mc / stageline+flatcap2 and although it is not bad but it is not a better sound than digital...

so i feel little like wasted money....

Monkadill,

I believe a Shinola Runwell Turntable would plug right into your 272 and you'd be instantly spinning vinyl.

Don't Project make some with built in phono stages?

The OP says he already has a turntable. It would help if he said what it was though. 

Which turntable are you using [@mention:31273966728598883]? 

I use a NAC-N 272 with a LP-12 using a Graham Slee phono stage it works great.

it was cheapo record deck my Dad had, just wanted to do a proof of concept..

It may have an integrated phono stage then 

Finkfan posted:

It may have an integrated phono stage then 

Unlikely because [@mention:31273966728598883] said ... "I have connected the two cables from the turntable to these ports but I get no sound."

As already commented ... you'll need a phono stage - the "two cables" from the turntable connect to the input of the phono stage and you'll need two cables from the output of the phono stage into your NAC-N 272.  Assuming you're talking about a cheapish deck then something like a Pro-ject PhonoBox (£60) or a Rega Fono Mini (£90) would likely suit.  You'll probably find one cheaper second hand on an auction site as an alternative.  

A trip to your dealer would also sort you out I'm sure.

I would very much doubt if a phono stage is included in the record deck, partly because that is rare, most amps outside the Naim world having phono stages built in the preamp, but also because of the description 'cheapo'.

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

Innocent Bystander posted:

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

I don't understand what's the point of writing this - you know perfectly well that many people here will disagree with your view of vinyl v. digital and the whole subject has been gone over many, many times. In any case the first proposition has been proved many millions of times over. The second is just deliberately provocative and contentious and, moreover, is irrelevant to the thread. 

Clive

Cdb posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

I don't understand what's the point of writing this - you know perfectly well that many people here will disagree with your view of vinyl v. digital and the whole subject has been gone over many, many times. In any case the first proposition has been proved many millions of times over. The second is just deliberately provocative and contentious and, moreover, is irrelevant to the thread. 

Clive

Oh dear, what's happened to sense of humour these days?

i do, genuinely, wonder what the OP meant by 'proof of concept'. The fill-in, self-evidently I thought, was an attempt at humour. Clearly not everyone has a similar sense of humour to me....

Innocent Bystander posted:

I would very much doubt if a phono stage is included in the record deck, partly because that is rare, most amps outside the Naim world having phono stages built in the preamp, but also because of the description 'cheapo'.

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

This is a condesending and BS reply. He asked for help - my advice would be to pickup a inexpensive Pro-Ject phono stage - they are cost effective and awesome for the money and give it a shot and see whether he likes it. You are welcome to your opinion re: Vinyl some agree, some don't. I assumed that the proof of concept was to see whether he enjoyed vinyl as a format or how well a turntable worked with a 272. Only the users ear can tell and it is subjective. It is not a helpful at all to infer that he is stupid for trying. 

Innocent Bystander posted:

DUPREE posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

I would very much doubt if a phono stage is included in the record deck, partly because that is rare, most amps outside the Naim world having phono stages built in the preamp, but also because of the description 'cheapo'.

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

This is a condesending and BS reply. He asked for help - my advice would be to pickup a inexpensive Pro-Ject phono stage - they are cost effective and awesome for the money and give it a shot and see whether he likes it. You are welcome to your opinion re: Vinyl some agree, some don't. I assumed that the proof of concept was to see whether he enjoyed vinyl as a format or how well a turntable worked with a 272. Only the users ear can tell and it is subjective. It is not a helpful at all to infer that he is stupid for trying. 

 

The first part of my response trying to be helpful, reinforcing what someone else had offerered as an assessment, but from a different angle. I have already clarified re the second para, not condescending or 'BS' at all, and there was nothing in what I said that in any way was meant to, or could reasonably be taken to be, an inference that the OP was stupid for trying, though I admit I don't understand what exactly he was trying.

Slight post mis-fire.  Nothing to see here, let's all kiss & make up.

FWIW Monkadill, I use a pretty similar level of vinyl replay to the attempted 'proof of concept' - a pretty cheap old turntable, with a Rega Fono Mini phono stage into my 172.  I only have a few records, and no intention of going wholesale into vinyl.  But I do enjoy playing those records I have occasionally, and my setup allows me to do so quite well, given that I'm not aiming for the stars quality-wise.

So if it's a tentative first step you're taking, but intending to aim high, then yeah, get something posh.  But if you just want to enjoy some records once in a while, something like a Fono Mini can give pleasing results.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Cdb posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Is 'proof of concept' proof that a groove in a disk can mechanically store music, replayed through vibrations transmitted by moving the groove past a contacting probe attached to an electromagnetic generator, which can then be amplified and played through speakers to be heard again as music? Or is it proof that vinyl discs are inferior to digital as a storage medium (unless a cheapo deck miraculously does better than the 272's renderer and DAC)?

I don't understand what's the point of writing this - you know perfectly well that many people here will disagree with your view of vinyl v. digital and the whole subject has been gone over many, many times. In any case the first proposition has been proved many millions of times over. The second is just deliberately provocative and contentious and, moreover, is irrelevant to the thread. 

Clive

Oh dear, what's happened to sense of humour these days?

i do, genuinely, wonder what the OP meant by 'proof of concept'. The fill-in, self-evidently I thought, was an attempt at humour. Clearly not everyone has a similar sense of humour to me....

Mr IB - I like to think that I have a sense of humour but to prompt a response from it you need to say something funny

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

 

Oh dear, what's happened to sense of humour these days?

i do, genuinely, wonder what the OP meant by 'proof of concept'. The fill-in, self-evidently I thought, was an attempt at humour. Clearly not everyone has a similar sense of humour to me....

Mr IB - I like to think that I have a sense of humour but to prompt a response from it you need to say something funny

Now The Strat made me loose my coffee...