Synology DSM 6.1

  just uploaded a new version DSM 6.1

Kacper posted:

  just uploaded a new version DSM 6.1

Goedenavond Kacper,  what UPnP media server software are you using  ???  Synology Media Server or Minimserver??

If Media Server have you installed the latest rev. Version: 1.7.0-2810  (released yesterday)  Did it install OK or like me, disappear until rebooted.   

If Minimserver how is it??  Synology made a point during beta testing of making it clear its up to Minimserver to ensure no problems & they cannot ensure all will be OK when DSM 6.1-15047 is released (today) 

Media Server stayed installed and restarted itself (at 1.7.0-2810) but stopped functioning instead...

HDD demand of the new system seems so high that after about 30s - 5min it just gives up and kills the stream.  Great result: the NAS is now FUBAR.

Huge,  don't understand - are you saying DSM 6.1 is installed & MS updated at the same time to 1.7.0.   HHD demand ??? are you saying RAM is O/L ???   Mine went frm ~26% to 20% & sometimes now goes down to 18-19% with 6.1,  CPU is now at 1-2% when nothing is going on.   I would go for a reboot & see what that changes.

I also see your DS115j is 32 bit & 256MB,  did Synology auto-update - i.e. Its pre- approved the update - or did you manually load it  ???   

MS updated previously but was still running after 6.1 install

RAM previously 25% ->   now 45% typical

CPU previously 15% - 25% ->   now 17% - 75% variable, some evidence of cycling.

Rebooted twice (from Web Admin client) and from front panel.  No change.

Now trying the wait and see approach (not fixed after 1.5 hours, but may still fix itself yet).

OK wait & see,  I'm worried with 32-bit,  I thought this was all 64-bit. 

Off to bed,  talk tomos

Let you know tomorrow afternoon - I have to give samples for over 15 blood tests in the morning!

I just looked into DS115j & see DSM 6.1 is OK,  so interested to read what you find is the problem.

Re blood tests:  I'm a volunteer for a national (Oxford Uni) survey & give a sample of about 15 separate container bottles every year,  its taken out in one go via one needle & as each sample bottle contains a vacuum its a matter of seconds per sample to 'suck' out.    I hate the needle insert bit,  I'm a big wimp & can't watch.  But I'm more than happy doing just that & a lot worse to others.

Huge, I noticed this in the release notes -- perhaps this is pertinent? It could be that your NAS is re-indexing, or trying to re-index?

"Manual re-indexing is required for all files after upgrading to DSM 6.1. The file indexing service in Control Panel has been moved to the preference settings in Synology Universal Search."

Might well be the case,  I always manually run a reindex, irrespective of an auto-update or as I did with 6.1 a manual update.    

Re File indexing moving to Search,   Media Indexing is still in the Indexing Service folder in Control Panel

Mike-B posted:

Kacper posted:

  just uploaded a new version DSM 6.1

Goedenavond Kacper,  what UPnP media server software are you using  ???  Synology Media Server or Minimserver??

If Media Server have you installed the latest rev. Version: 1.7.0-2810  (released yesterday)  Did it install OK or like me, disappear until rebooted.   

If Minimserver how is it??  Synology made a point during beta testing of making it clear its up to Minimserver to ensure no problems & they cannot ensure all will be OK when DSM 6.1-15047 is released (today) 

Hi Mike,

I'm using media server (minimserver i have installed but don't use it). Yes I have installed the lates version. Some applications  disappeared, after server has been rebooted everything came back again. Music library was visible via naim app already before rebooting- immediately after installing the latest software.

Hi Adrian and Mike,

That's the first thing I did after the NAS came up.  I did it again 2 hours later, after the second re-boot, in case the first one had failed because the OS optimisation wasn't done.  Yes I did the media indexing, rather than the general file indexing.

I then uninstalled and reinstalled Media Server (and re-indexed it again!).

Another re-boot late last night and another this morning.

Still a brick

It can't even manage to keep the 272's buffer full with a 16/44.1 WAVE stream.

Looks like it's only good enough for MP3 now, but there again I'm not sure it's even good enough for that.

Oh yes, and the disk passes its internal SMART test, albeit with a lot of waiting for the OS to catch up.

Mike-B posted:

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Re blood tests:  I'm a volunteer for a national (Oxford Uni) survey & give a sample of about 15 separate container bottles every year,  its taken out in one go via one needle & as each sample bottle contains a vacuum its a matter of seconds per sample to 'suck' out.    I hate the needle insert bit,  I'm a big wimp & can't watch.  But I'm more than happy doing just that & a lot worse to others.

Unfortunately I'm a Marfan, so my veins sometimes collapse with the vacuum tubes.

How about trying another DSM 6.1 install ???  It might overwrite whatever is causing this.  

I would then contact Synology www Support - the UK office is MK - I've found them pretty good   (except non-comprehension over MS transcode downsample & gapless problems)  

The OS isn't downgradable - and that includes re-installs (and that's sheer stupidity).

OK, further observation.

It seems like the people who wrote this OS may be incompetent.

With the NAS at rest, the CPU activity cycles from 5% to 99% every few minutes, and the disk light shows an almost constant high level of activity.  My guess is that the OS was written for multi-core CPUs and gives appalling race error problems on single core devices rendering them useless.

Unfortunately for reasons of other things going on, unless I can find an alternative solution, this risks becoming an iminent threat to my mental health

How about the "if nothing else works"  IT guy trick - manually power to off & disconnect everything,  make a coffee/tea/ciggie,  reconnect & restart.    It might be a webpage restart doesn't actually shutdown the CPU.   

Wat, please don't 'like' that.  I have a medical condition and the threat to mental health is unfortunately very real, the music restabilises me.

Pretty sure the OS is downgradable - just not through the GUI.  If you google for 'synology assistant' and run it on your PC / Mac it'll scan your network, find the device and from there you can use that tool to install an OS.  It's usually used for bricked devices but should allow a downgrade. (interestingly, you can use it to install the Synology OS on other hardware, but that's another story)

The only fly in the ointment might be your data on the box, however good practice would suggest we all have backups of our NAS devices on another drive / volume stored elsewhere to restore from as / when / if things go awry... ;-) 

Hi PJLarge,

Interesting, I'll investigate, and yes even my backups have backups!

How long is it since you have upgraded? Maybe the system just needs a day or two to sort things up? The release notes say that after upgrading it can take an hour for the system to calm down. Maybe it takes a bit longer on a slower system depending on the number of files?

Eeek. I've upgraded my 214 (used only for backups) and am getting 2-7% CPU and 24% RAM (so that seems perfectly fine), though goodness only knows what it was before as every OS upgrade to date has been pretty seamless (thanks to people like Mike thoroughly testing them).

I'm sure the 415play (without which life is just a misery) will be fine, but I might just hold back a few days!

Hi Gary,  at the moment my DS214 runs 19 to 21% RAM.  When I updated on Monday it was 26 to 28%.   I've now 'Uninstalled' (back in the Package Centre) the programs I had to use for beta testing & now have only File Station, Media Server & Hyper Backup installed.  Search is also installed but you can't do anything with that.   I then ran a Restart (Reboot) & it recovered the RAM to around 20%,  CPU now its doing nothing is 0 to 2% 

After 22 hours now, still FUBAR.

Restarted the network: DNS, Switch, DHCP, Synology, 272.

No change, no improvement

Removed Media Server - Intermittent high CPU load reduced.

Finally worked out how to install an old Media Server (1.6.2)
      This one works: Music restored (Corelli Op6 currently playing); suicide risk abated.

I've found other people have had the same problem and I was right: The issue is confined to single core devices so almost certainly a threading / race error problem.  This is utter crap: this release simply cannot have been tested properly on single core devices; completely unfit for purpose.  Absolutely unforgivable disregard for their customers.

If it had been the OS I'd have totally given up on Synology and defected to QNAP, advising everyone else to do the same.

Hmm doesn't sound good

my two-disc synologies updated fine and the monster had no issues either. 

Which I accept is not much help.... :-/

Hi Jon, then you have multi core CPUs, which is very likely (or you were just lucky!) - the monster will definitely be multi core, probably quad core.

But I've got music again OK now and I can start to drain the tension out of my head, so I just have to wait for a fixed 1.7.x media server release.