Another Tellurium Q question

Posted by: Amused on 04 March 2017

I am deciding whether to take the plunge and get one of the TQ speakers cables to go with my SN and Dynaudio speakers. TQ cables seem to get a lot of love on this forum.

The options are (price ascending):

1. TQ Black (much discussed on this forum)

2. TQ Silver (not much info) - there is a newer version as well which is called Silver II

3. TQ Ultra Blue (it appears to be a rebadged Green)

4. TQ Ultra Black

The main issue for me is the length. Does the Naim recommendation regarding the minimum length apply with this cable? If not, I could go higher up the ladder and get a shorter length of a more expensive (and probably better) cable. 

I've read a lot on this forum and elsewhere regarding the improved clarity and resolution of TQ cables over the NACA5, but I am most concerned about the low frequencies and the ability of these cables to produce deep and well defined bass.

Opinions?

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by No quarter

I have not tried TQ cables,but I use Naca5 with my 272...I did own a pair of Nordost Heimdall 2 cables when I had my SN2,from my home theatre,so I tried those in place of the generic cable i normally used.There was a minor difference at best,but adding the high cap dr to the SN2 was a VERY big jump to me.If you are honest with yourself,do they really make that much difference(cables) compared to adding a power supply? or is it all in your head,sorry not trying to start a cable/DBT test debate here,but I say get the boxes sorted out first.

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Finkfan

Absolutely! What's your source? 

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Amused

Oppo 203 via coaxial to my Chord Mojo DAC, or PC via USB to Mojo. I also have my tv via optical to Mojo.

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Finkfan
No quarter posted:

I have not tried TQ cables,but I use Naca5 with my 272...I did own a pair of Nordost Heimdall 2 cables when I had my SN2,from my home theatre,so I tried those in place of the generic cable i normally used.There was a minor difference at best,but adding the high cap dr to the SN2 was a VERY big jump to me.If you are honest with yourself,do they really make that much difference(cables) compared to adding a power supply? or is it all in your head,sorry not trying to start a cable/DBT test debate here,but I say get the boxes sorted out first.

What's the bottle neck in a system? Is it a box? Or a wire that connects them?  I've tried boxes and cables and if either didn't work I wouldnt part with my hard earned cash, trust me. 

Maybe the op will try each of the upgrades separately and let us know what he thinks? 

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by No quarter
Amused posted:

The HCDR is already on order, delivery in 2 weeks.

I placed an order for a 2m pair of TQ Ultra Blacks as well. We'll see how it goes.

Should I be looking at TQ interconnects as well?

 

Ok,I did not realize you had ordered the high cap,all is well...maybe you can do the comparison when you get the cables and high cap,let us know which one is the more significant upgrade,just for kicks

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Amused

I am well very of the differences caused by cables, and I do hear them well enough. I hope the HCDR will bring improvements as well. It comes with a Snaic5, is that right? I would need to buy Snaic 4 separately (4 pin DIN to 4 pin DIN)?

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Finkfan

Yes, it will come with a Snaic5. You'll need a snaic4 to go back into the SN 

Posted on: 04 March 2017 by Amused
No quarter posted:
Amused posted:

The HCDR is already on order, delivery in 2 weeks.

I placed an order for a 2m pair of TQ Ultra Blacks as well. We'll see how it goes.

Should I be looking at TQ interconnects as well?

 

Ok,I did not realize you had ordered the high cap,all is well...maybe you can do the comparison when you get the cables and high cap,let us know which one is the more significant upgrade,just for kicks

I believe the cable will arrive before the HCDR, but will be happy to post my observations regarding both upgrades.

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Amused

Just a quick update on the Tellurium Q Ultra Black RCA-RCA interconnect. I had it in my system for a week now (connecting my Oppo UDP-203 and Supernait). I couldn't use the cable with my Chord Mojo as I accidentally broke my Audioquest 3.5mm-2RCA adapter, so had to wait for the replacement to arrive. Which it did today. In the meantime, the TQ cable was burning in on the Oppo.

As many of your know, the Chord Mojo has two 3.5mm line level outputs which work simultaneously (the idea is to have two pairs of cans connected at the same time). This is great for A/B testing.

A: Flashback Sales Premiere 3.5mm to DIN cable to the CD input on the SN

B: Audioquest 3.5mm to RCA splitter, then TQ UB RCA-RCA cable to the tuner input on the SN

Both cables burnt in (at least I think so).

The result? The TQ Ultra Black RCA cable absolutely OBLITERATED the Flashback Sales Premiere DIN cable in every possible department, be it the soundstage, the details and imaging, the separation, the bass. I had the Chord Epic Analogue RCA-RCA before and returned it because it was no better than the Flashback DIN cable. However, the TQ is absolutely marvelous! Both the Chord and the TQ are similarly priced, but in my opinion and in my system there is no contest - the TQ wins in every department.

The Flashback (a very good cable for the money) is unfortunately going back to David.

The testing was done on some cheap Oehlbach 4mm speaker cables, which are the weakest link in the system at the moment (they are there because I returned the Chord Epic Reference). But even these cables allowed the TQ to outshine the Flashback (and the Chord for that matter which was pretty dull and boring) by a country mile.

Can't wait for the TQ UB speaker cables to arrive!!!

 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by wenger2015

The TQ Ultra Black's are exquisite.... You will not be disappointed 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Mayor West

The TQ Ultra Black RCA is indeed impressive. Can't imagine what th me Black Diamond is like. 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by fatcat
Amused posted:
 The TQ Ultra Black RCA cable absolutely OBLITERATED the Flashback Sales Premiere DIN cable in every possible department,

 

I’m surprised you went for the premiere cable, you should have bought the performance cable. There are hints on the flashback website and not subtle ones at that, that suggest it is the cable to use with Naim equipment.

 I bought the flashback performance cable a couple of weeks ago to connect a mojo to to Naim pre amp. Compared to the mogami and kimber cable I’d tried previously, the flashback cable just sounds so musical, so right.

 Of coarse I have an olive/CB system, so I’m not really listening to soundstage, detail and imaging and separation, just the music.

 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by No quarter

Good to hear,can anyone tell me if these cables fit in the openings of the Hugo...the later model?

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by wenger2015
Mayor West posted:

The TQ Ultra Black RCA is indeed impressive. Can't imagine what th me Black Diamond is like. 

Superb..

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Rob T
wenger2015 posted:

The TQ Ultra Black's are exquisite.... You will not be disappointed 

Could not agree more a superb speaker cable, I'm now running the Black Diamond's and they are nothing short of  spectacular but do take a long time to run-in as do most TQ speaker cables.

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Amused
fatcat posted:
Amused posted:
 The TQ Ultra Black RCA cable absolutely OBLITERATED the Flashback Sales Premiere DIN cable in every possible department,

 

I’m surprised you went for the premiere cable, you should have bought the performance cable. There are hints on the flashback website and not subtle ones at that, that suggest it is the cable to use with Naim equipment.

 I bought the flashback performance cable a couple of weeks ago to connect a mojo to to Naim pre amp. Compared to the mogami and kimber cable I’d tried previously, the flashback cable just sounds so musical, so right.

 Of coarse I have an olive/CB system, so I’m not really listening to soundstage, detail and imaging and separation, just the music.

 

I also have a Van Damme Ultra Black RCA interconnect (similar to the Mogami), and the Flashback is indeed much much better than it. But it can't compete with the TQ.

I did consult David prior to placing my order, he didn't recommend the performance over the premiere. 

 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Mayor West
No quarter posted:

Good to hear,can anyone tell me if these cables fit in the openings of the Hugo...the later model?

My Hugo is a latter model. The plugs are screw adjustable to improve the fit but I found that I had to unscrew the plugs off completely to get a good fit on the Hugo. 

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by No quarter

Thanks MayorWest,do you mean the diameter of the connector on the TQ's is variable?or the depth that sticks out.Are you using RCA to RCA,or RCA to Din!?

Posted on: 28 March 2017 by Mayor West
No quarter posted:

Thanks MayorWest,do you mean the diameter of the connector on the TQ's is variable?or the depth that sticks out.Are you using RCA to RCA,or RCA to Din!?

The diameter of the connector is variable depending on how much you twist/screw the plastic plug. Unfortunately I found that the plastic plugs are just a little to wide for Hugo so I took them off completely to make sure I got a better fit.

I've got an RCA-RCA. I think TQ only do one or the other (RCA-RCA or DIN-DIN). I previously had a Chord Chorus Reference RCA-DIN which was bettered by an RCA-RCA TQ Black. TQ Ultra Black RCA-RCA was another obvious step up for me. I think that go for RCA-DIN where you can but it's cable dependant and I've found that overall, the better cable will still win out regardless of the connection. 

Posted on: 29 March 2017 by Amused

Second day of extensive listening - the TQ UB is absolutely superb! Every layer can be heard, every single instrument is distinguishable, yet the entire picture is completely coherent and so musical. 

I also installed a dedicated Furutech double schuko wall outlet last week, a noticeable improvement as well. The level of background noise has dramatically reduced, and the sound picture is wider and cleaner now. Had a week to test it out before adding the TQ cable yesterday, as I want to make sure every upgrade is tested independently of another.

The key upgrades are yet to be installed - the TQ speaker cable first, and then the HCDR.

Posted on: 29 March 2017 by wenger2015
Amused posted:

Second day of extensive listening - the TQ UB is absolutely superb! Every layer can be heard, every single instrument is distinguishable, yet the entire picture is completely coherent and so musical. 

I also installed a dedicated Furutech double schuko wall outlet last week, a noticeable improvement as well. The level of background noise has dramatically reduced, and the sound picture is wider and cleaner now. Had a week to test it out before adding the TQ cable yesterday, as I want to make sure every upgrade is tested independently of another.

The key upgrades are yet to be installed - the TQ speaker cable first, and then the HCDR.

You will be delighted with both, keep us updated.

Posted on: 29 March 2017 by No quarter

What i would like to see Amused do is first add the speaker cables,have a listen...go back to his original cables,add the High cap dr,have a listen...see which brings more improvement/enjoyment,then try both together...just to see which is more bang for the buck.

Posted on: 29 March 2017 by Amused
No quarter posted:

What i would like to see Amused do is first add the speaker cables,have a listen...go back to his original cables,add the High cap dr,have a listen...see which brings more improvement/enjoyment,then try both together...just to see which is more bang for the buck.

That's a good proposal indeed! I will give it a shot, although I'm afraid the speaker cable (which is cheaper) will do more than the HCDR. I did test the HiCap Olive on my SN to almost no effect whatsoever. However, many members here say that HCDR is a substantial upgrade to the SN, I just hope it's that much better than the Olive HC.

Posted on: 07 April 2017 by Amused

The TQ Ultra Black is here! Just plugged it in, but had no opportunity to test it with music as my 2.5y old boy occupied the room. I will let it burn in through the night and listen to it tomorrow.

The HCDR will be here tomorrow as well. Some interesting times

Posted on: 07 April 2017 by Finkfan

Enjoy [@mention:69426746173921591]!