super lumina

i don't have an answer for your question but i'm using Ansuz jumpers with my SL, very satisfied.

There are SL jumpers available but they are insanely expensive. I use Vertere Pulse X Mini (I think they are called) jump leads, only £125 a complete set (for win binding posts) and it is rumoured that Vertere make the SL cables. They sound great and don't cost a fortune.

My dealer built me a pair of NAC A5 jumpers and I am quite happy with them. 

nigelb posted:

There are SL jumpers available but they are insanely expensive. I use Vertere Pulse X Mini (I think they are called) jump leads, only £125 a complete set (for win binding posts) and it is rumoured that Vertere make the SL cables. They sound great and don't cost a fortune.

Nigel, i was curious about how the SL jumpers looks and how much they cost but didn't got any result while googled..

Do you have a link or something?

The easiest thing might be to speak to PMC about how to bypass the second set of terminals by altering the crossover wiring. As far as I know Naim don't make SL jumpers, though Nigel's post above suggests otherwise. 

tony abraham posted:

can anyone explain after spending £££ on a full loom why there are no jumpers available. most people who have reasonable sized speakers will have either two or three sets of posts yet there are no jumpers!!! come on naim sort it out

in the meantime does anyone have any suggestions

I  posed this question sometime ago, but didn't get much response.

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...with-speaker-jumpers

i think Vertere is as close as you can get. Naim don't do them.

Best speak to your dealer re SL jumper leads. I enquired once and was quoted a large number (can't remember the exact figure). I would still recommend the Vertere links. There are three options but I went with the cheapest Pulse X Mini.

SL speaker links are available. I have ordered some for Kudos Titan T88 - £595...

AndyH posted:

SL speaker links are available. I have ordered some for Kudos Titan T88 - £595...

Bargain

I wouldn't get too hung up on this. Once the signal has arrived at the speaker it'll go through non SL cable to get to the speaker coil. 

My speakers have removable back plates. I spoke to the manufacturer who said you can move the low frequency wires on the inside from one set of binding posts to the other making the speaker single wired. I'm happy using a soldering iron so it was a 10 minute job. I guess the issue is more to do with the number of joints in a bi-wire conversation on the outside than the type of wire used which will be very short compared to what's on the inside, particularly with floor standing speakers.

Before my conversation I used the shortest length of bare NACA 5 between the binding posts. Happy that NACA 5 was probably no worse than the cable used inside the box. 

I guess for my solution it was a question of thinking inside the box!!

It might be cheaper to send the speakers back to the manufacturer and ask for a modification to single wire than buying expensive links?

I do recall many years ago of people modifying the internal wiring of speakers with better quality cable to try and improve the sound. I doubt anyone's done this using cable that costs over £7 an inch!

I just wish speakers came single wired as standard and bi or tri wired sold as an option. 

Acred

nigelb posted:

Best speak to your dealer re SL jumper leads. I enquired once and was quoted a large number (can't remember the exact figure). I would still recommend the Vertere links. There are three options but I went with the cheapest Pulse X Mini.

It's essentially the same cable as SL.  I use the same jumpers as Nigel.
Here's what they look like 'in action'

Acred posted:

 

I just wish speakers came single wired as standard and bi or tri wired sold as an option. 

 Acred

Quite - It would just be simpler if they got over this bi / tri wiring rubbish. Outside of the What Hi-Fi readership, hardly anyone uses it and it just ends up with an untidy mess at the rear of the speaker which seems at odds with the care taken with connecting them to the amp in the first place.

Daft. 

Dynaudio speakers thankfully do not come with bi-wiring.

Adam Zielinski posted:

nigelb posted:

Best speak to your dealer re SL jumper leads. I enquired once and was quoted a large number (can't remember the exact figure). I would still recommend the Vertere links. There are three options but I went with the cheapest Pulse X Mini.

It's essentially the same cable as SL.  I use the same jumpers as Nigel.
Here's what they look like 'in action'

 

Hi Chaps,

Are you guys using the Pulse X or the Pulse X mini?

I think I've tracked down the Pulse X, but can't find the Pulse X mini referred to anywhere. 

AndyH posted:

SL speaker links are available. I have ordered some for Kudos Titan T88 - £595...

Interesting. They don't appear on the Naim Product web site. Are Naim making them or are they made by a third party from SL stock speaker cable. What terminations are available?

dave marshall posted:

Hi Chaps,

Are you guys using the Pulse X or the Pulse X mini?

I think I've tracked down the Pulse X, but can't find the Pulse X mini referred to anywhere. 

Hi Dave - the jumpers in the picture are Pulse X Mini

sheffieldgraham posted:

AndyH posted:

SL speaker links are available. I have ordered some for Kudos Titan T88 - £595...

Interesting. They don't appear on the Naim Product web site. Are Naim making them or are they made by a third party from SL stock speaker cable. What terminations are available?

Hi,

They are made to order by Naim.

regards,

Andy

sheffieldgraham posted:

AndyH posted:

SL speaker links are available. I have ordered some for Kudos Titan T88 - £595...

Interesting. They don't appear on the Naim Product web site. Are Naim making them or are they made by a third party from SL stock speaker cable. What terminations are available?

SL cables are available with spades, so presumably, the jumpers have them too.

SL speaker links are available as 150 / 200 / 250 mm lengths, and with either 4mm to 4mm, 4mm to spade, spade to 4mm or spade to spade terminations and are around £595 inc VAT for whatever length / termination.

The price seems to reflect the quoted figure for the Vertere Pulse X Standard links, though I'm still trying to track down a figure / supplier for the Pulse X mini's to which the chaps have referred.

dave marshall posted:

The price seems to reflect the quoted figure for the Vertere Pulse X Standard links, though I'm still trying to track down a figure / supplier for the Pulse X mini's to which the chaps have referred.

Dave - TomTom audio was the supplier. Price: £ 150.

This is purely out of curiosity,  doesn't the addition of non SL jumpers make a difference to the sound?

Bob the Builder posted:

This is purely out of curiosity,  doesn't the addition of non SL jumpers make a difference to the sound?

Any jumpers will impose their sound signature on the sound. Also how one connects them also influences the sound (to a certain extent).

thanks chaps, food for thought although £595 is a lot and i need two sets. will look at these pulse minis i think

One forum friend with the full SL loom auditioned the SL-link cable for his Titans and actually preferred short NAC-A5 links instead. This was despite him vastly preferring the SL speaker cable over the NAC A5 he had previously used, so perhaps the A5 just for the link may be a cost-effective thing to consider? The SL speaker leads may yield-up most of their benefit for the several meters run to the speakers - in his case they terminated into the Mid/HF terminals with the A5 link to the bass terminals, so since these draw only bass frequencies they may work OK with the very short A5 as the SL cable is covering the mid-hf range.

Not personally auditioned the above but it is the result of a home-audition from someone who's opinion on such things I respect.

DB.

I still think the best idea is to ask PMC to tweak the internal wiring. They'd probably do it at the factory while you wait, if the factory is near enough of course. Jumpers are always a bit rubbish, seeming to come loose very easily.