Mains cable.. seen the light????

And if anyone knows of a cure for this placebo effect please point me in the right direction. I'm still hearing the effect of different mains cables this evening. 

It's the Law of Constant Composition isn't it!

Finkfan posted:

And if anyone knows of a cure for this placebo effect please point me in the right direction. I'm still hearing the effect of different mains cables this evening. 

Simple, you just need a VERY LOUD wideband acoustic generator (>110dB); listen to it for about 10 hours and you won't be able to hear the difference (or anything else for that matter) ever again - it's a permanent cure for hearing anything.

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. In fact the Aldi one had a soggy bottom, I kid you not! So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

A classic case of expectation bias. You paid more for the Waitrose LDC, it was in a fancier package, so you expected it to taste better when in reality it was no different to the cheaper Aldi version.

tonym posted:

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

A classic case of expectation bias. You paid more for the Waitrose LDC, it was in a fancier package, so you expected it to taste better when in reality it was no different to the cheaper Aldi version.

Now you are all just ganging up on me. 

I'm off to rub some snake oil into my wounds. Actually that gives me an idea. I wonder if adding snake oil to the ingredients of a LDC would improve the flavour! There's a thought.

nigelb posted:

tonym posted:

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

A classic case of expectation bias. You paid more for the Waitrose LDC, it was in a fancier package, so you expected it to taste better when in reality it was no different to the cheaper Aldi version.

Now you are all just ganging up on me. 

I'm off to rub some snake oil into my wounds. Actually that gives me an idea. I wonder if adding snake oil to the ingredients of a LDC would improve the flavour! There's a thought.

You are all failing to provide any explanation why one cake would taste differently. 

Clear delusions....

Adam Zielinski posted:

nigelb posted:

tonym posted:

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

A classic case of expectation bias. You paid more for the Waitrose LDC, it was in a fancier package, so you expected it to taste better when in reality it was no different to the cheaper Aldi version.

Now you are all just ganging up on me. 

I'm off to rub some snake oil into my wounds. Actually that gives me an idea. I wonder if adding snake oil to the ingredients of a LDC would improve the flavour! There's a thought.

You are all failing to provide any explanation why one cake would taste differently. 

Clear delusions....

And indeed failing to explain why/how one LDC could possible taste exactly the same as another from a different supplier!

I've just tried a DR( drizzle reduction)  lemon drizzle cake.

Problem is, being straight out of the box, it needs time......but will keep you posted ....

Interesting thread guys, but the fundamental question is why did you buy 2 cakes in the first place!

wenger2015 posted:

I've just tried a DR( drizzle reduction)  lemon drizzle cake.

Problem is, being straight out of the box, it needs time......but will keep you posted ....

Black Diamond or Silver?

Adam Zielinski posted:

wenger2015 posted:

I've just tried a DR( drizzle reduction)  lemon drizzle cake.

Problem is, being straight out of the box, it needs time......but will keep you posted ....

Black Diamond or Silver?

Just going to have to try both.....

Cbr600 posted:

Interesting thread guys, but the fundamental question is why did you buy 2 cakes in the first place!

To carry out a controlled experiment of course (and I was a bit peckish) to provide some hard data to support my claims.

I wish others would do the same!

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. In fact the Aldi one had a soggy bottom, I kid you not! So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

Ah, but did you eat it as a slice or a segment? And what the (critical) plate supporting it and the type of fork you used to eat it? We all know that those cheap and cheerful paper plates and plastic forks rob a top-notch drizzle cake of it quality. Only proper bone china and silver plated cutlery will allow the cake to perform at its best.

The major difficulty in comparing cakes is you're never sure if it's the same mix.

MDS posted:

nigelb posted:

Finkfan posted:

Mr [@mention:48872963983698699] I won't be doing any research and there by backing up any claims. If it's saying it's a lemon drizzle cake then that's what it is ,whoever makes it and however they bake it. Nothing more, nothing less. I refuse to believe that a slight change in ingredients (quantity or quality) or the way in which those ingredients are mixed together will have any impact on the end result. I'm telling you, All cakes are the same!!! Don't waste your money on one that comes in a fancy tin, or black box  

Well excuse me, but only yesterday I tried a lemon drizzle cake from Waitrose and one from Aldi, both at teatime accompanied by the same cup of tea (so under controlled conditions) and I can categorically assure you the Waitrose one was more lemony and better tasting than the Aldi one. In fact the Aldi one had a soggy bottom, I kid you not! So there you go, you do get what you pay for, even with lemon drizzle cakes.

Possibly you would be kind enough to provide evidence of your counter-argument, rather than make wild, unsubstantiated claims.

Ah, but did you eat it as a slice or a segment? And what the (critical) plate supporting it and the type of fork you used to eat it? We all know that those cheap and cheerful paper plates and plastic forks rob a top-notch drizzle cake of it quality. Only proper bone china and silver plated cutlery will allow the cake to perform at its best.

Now you are being ridiculous. My controls for the experiment were quite sufficient to provide reliable data. Trashing my method is simply below the belt.

Anyway MDS, at least I have some data, where is yours?

Crumbs!

Rigorous blind testing is no piece of cake.

G

We will never know just how good Mrs Wogan's drizzle cake is. Terry's no longer around to tell us about it.

I found by changing the fuse in the food mixer for a Furutech  that I got a far less dense mix with our lemon drizzle cake mix.

I found installing a dedicated supply for our cooker to be worthwhile too 

Actually eating cake is bad for your Hi-Fi. Raises glucose hormone levels that expands blood oxygen and increases cell expansion within the inner ear, likely causing less nuance of movement from micro bone juice getting to the brain.

my mum used to eat a lot of cake and she wore a hearing aid.

My theory as to why fancy mains cables make a better difference is not so much shielding from frequencies brought out by today's technology, but from a channeling and tuning of the cosmic background radiation that is ever present. Ever since the Big Bang.

TOBYJUG posted:

My theory as to why fancy mains cables make a better difference is not so much shielding from frequencies brought out by today's technology, but from a channeling and tuning of the cosmic background radiation that is ever present. Ever since the Big Bang.

If your suggestion of a big bang,  was me just breaking wind, that's a tad unfair 

Well, don't do it near a naked flame then.  

Huge posted:

Well, don't do it near a naked flame then.  

Now you tell me....as I'm on my way to casualty...