UnitiCore - Does what it says on the box ..... or not !

Here's an interesting query?

does the core file system have a limit?

i am still importing music from the nas drives, and there is lots of space still on the core internal hdd, but as the import process in reading and installing thousands of files (tracks), the album number count has stayed the same.

the count has reached 9403 albums and has not changed inspire of multiple albums being imported?

is this a system limit or some other glitch?

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

David O'Higgins posted:

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

 

I find your reply somewhat offensive, use timing whether I have a day job.

yes I work in hospitals, and have done so for many years. Have never been out of work.

i suggest you retract the offensive post or have the moderator do it 

Moderated Post:  I didn't read David's post as necessarily offensive - I read it as being rather impressed, and perhaps just a tad jealous. Under the circumstances I'm sure he may well respond before I need to take any action here.

Cbr600 posted:

Here's an interesting query?

does the core file system have a limit?

i am still importing music from the nas drives, and there is lots of space still on the core internal hdd, but as the import process in reading and installing thousands of files (tracks), the album number count has stayed the same.

the count has reached 9403 albums and has not changed inspire of multiple albums being imported?

is this a system limit or some other glitch?

A software error, I guess: http://stackoverflow.com/quest...i-put-in-a-directory Best, nbpf

Cbr600 posted:

Here's an interesting query?

does the core file system have a limit?

i am still importing music from the nas drives, and there is lots of space still on the core internal hdd, but as the import process in reading and installing thousands of files (tracks), the album number count has stayed the same.

the count has reached 9403 albums and has not changed inspire of multiple albums being imported?

is this a system limit or some other glitch?

i had the same problem when i borrowed a core: i stopped importing and then imported again, with success. But it is a bug of the core...another one.

David O'Higgins posted:

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

 

it is agressive , i confirm . But i agree that 10000 albums is perhaps too much. I am buying cds, lps, downloads now, since 30 years and keep only my favorite albums. So i have sold a lot and even deleted some downloads. I have only 300 cds, 150 downloads, and 400 lps. For me there is not so many great performers and great albums i love. I am not keeping the bad or average ones. Same with books.

But each person have the freedom to do what he likes, and if one wants to have 10000 albums, why not!

David O'Higgins posted:

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

 

Just spat my tea all over my iPad 

james n posted:

audio1946 posted:

  ive had a zone ripper for 5 years and with dbpower its been a great solution linked to the NDX.  you do need to clean each cd before ripping and this included new ones too.  

That doesn't give me confidence in its abilities if you need to clean a brand new CD before ripping ?

hi james, I think in the manufacturing of cds there is a residual film left on the cd. ive always wiped every  new cd, the micro cloths are ideal for this.like wise for vinyl in the pressing process clean them also.  In the past ive had cds that have had playing /ripping issues.  I noted the copying these cds on my yahama cd copier the copied cd had no issues.

Ah ok - never tried that. I've used Autoglym super resin polish on some used CD's which have been past their best to clean them up but never really looked at new CD's. I'll have a look next time so thanks for the tip 

N A I M   P L E A S E   R E A D   A N D   T A K E   N O T E

1.  Until the product is finished The Core should have only been sold to via dealers to known customers who are happy to be test dummies.  The product currently isn't ready for mainstream release and you are doing your company an injustice by allowing these to continue to be sold right now.

2.  You need to fix the Metadata problem right away, like now, it's just software, you have no excuse.  You even have many free beta testers right here on this forum along with pages of in-depth explanations of what doesn't work.

3.  You need to release a Windows / Mac desktop metadata editor as per the Unitiserve.  Auto lookup is never going to be perfect so how do you expect us to maintain massive music libraries via phones and tablets?

4.  You need to find a way to integrate albums placed in the Downloads folder into the Core database so that their metadata can be edited via whatever solution you finally provide.  Why don't you virtually rip any music that is put in the Downloads folder as if it were a CD?

5.  You have a very loyal customer base but we are annoyed at the moment.

Happy Mothers Day.

I say new Melco! 

I say buy the Tigerpaw Tranquity for your LP12 (if you have one) and forget about all this metadata nonsense. Time to re-discover what our hobby is all about -  musical pleasure and relaxation, not spitting tacks and raised blood pressure.I love my Unitiserve/NDS/555DR to bits but to be honest after staring at computer screens all week I do like a change

Emre posted:

I say new Melco! 

melco in ethernet mode with nds is worse than the core with metadata : i imported downloads on my lacie ssd external drive attached to the core to the melco n1a: a lot of albums had no covers and were split in many tracks with incomplete names( example : album of john scofield was named"john". There was not john scofield but just john, and no album name. A lot like that.

Emre posted:

I say new Melco! 

I'd say get a Qnap or Synology and spend the difference on a holiday. 

i am sure the core will be a perfect product when finished....but not ready now to be sold. 

I am sure too that a high end nas will exist in the future, like high end transports for dacs. Look at the perfect cec tl0 transport, one of the best. The monaco sound galleries server is made with the same perfection, not like these plastic nas as qnap or synology. People are buying linear power supplies that cost 3 times these nas, in order to have something in common with an nds/555dr. It is ridiculous !   the problem is that high end nas/servers like melco n1z, aurender w20, sound galleries, are made for usb dacs, so not for naim audio...

Keler Pierre posted:

Emre posted:

I say new Melco! 

melco in ethernet mode with nds is worse than the core with metadata : i imported downloads on my lacie ssd external drive attached to the core to the melco n1a: a lot of albums had no covers and were split in many tracks with incomplete names( example : album of john scofield was named"john". There was not john scofield but just john, and no album name. A lot like that.

Hi,

Without wanting to seem like I'm trying to support someone elses product this sounds like a simple case of the metadata not being complete across the files...

Cheers

Phil

Phil Harris posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

Emre posted:

I say new Melco! 

melco in ethernet mode with nds is worse than the core with metadata : i imported downloads on my lacie ssd external drive attached to the core to the melco n1a: a lot of albums had no covers and were split in many tracks with incomplete names( example : album of john scofield was named"john". There was not john scofield but just john, and no album name. A lot like that.

Hi,

Without wanting to seem like I'm trying to support someone elses product this sounds like a simple case of the metadata not being complete across the files...

Cheers

Phil

but it is not a problem for me, i have just tried the melco but have the unitserve. I will go for the core but i am waiting till all is fixed.

Phil Harris posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

Emre posted:

I say new Melco! 

melco in ethernet mode with nds is worse than the core with metadata : i imported downloads on my lacie ssd external drive attached to the core to the melco n1a: a lot of albums had no covers and were split in many tracks with incomplete names( example : album of john scofield was named"john". There was not john scofield but just john, and no album name. A lot like that.

Hi,

Without wanting to seem like I'm trying to support someone elses product this sounds like a simple case of the metadata not being complete across the files...

Cheers

Phil

Even this answer show the nobilty of  Naim! 

Good on you Phil��

Keler Pierre posted:

i am sure the core will be a perfect product when finished....but not ready now to be sold. 

I am sure too that a high end nas will exist in the future, like high end transports for dacs. Look at the perfect cec tl0 transport, one of the best. The monaco sound galleries server is made with the same perfection, not like these plastic nas as qnap or synology. People are buying linear power supplies that cost 3 times these nas, in order to have something in common with an nds/555dr. It is ridiculous !   the problem is that high end nas/servers like melco n1z, aurender w20, sound galleries, are made for usb dacs, so not for naim audio...

Actually i was planning to use it with chord2 as an alternative digital source for 272, i will buy hugo for headphone amp, i need an headphone amp with remote so adding melco/ core/ innous may do a double job

I was very keen on core despite non classical look but i read nothing but trouble, why mess with my nas system when it works flawlessles, ripping cds with an i mac etc

also i added cisco switch which still listening for an improvment, still not decided about adding audioquest vodka, my mind says no my shopping hunger says what if

Emre posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

i am sure the core will be a perfect product when finished....but not ready now to be sold. 

I am sure too that a high end nas will exist in the future, like high end transports for dacs. Look at the perfect cec tl0 transport, one of the best. The monaco sound galleries server is made with the same perfection, not like these plastic nas as qnap or synology. People are buying linear power supplies that cost 3 times these nas, in order to have something in common with an nds/555dr. It is ridiculous !   the problem is that high end nas/servers like melco n1z, aurender w20, sound galleries, are made for usb dacs, so not for naim audio...

Actually i was planning to use it with chord2 as an alternative digital source for 272, i will buy hugo for headphone amp, i need an headphone amp with remote so adding melco/ core/ innous may do a double job

I was very keen on core despite non classical look but i read nothing but trouble, why mess with my nas system when it works flawlessles, ripping cds with an i mac etc

also i added cisco switch which still listening for an improvment, still not decided about adding audioquest vodka, my mind says no my shopping hunger says what if

for now, a conventional nas with your 272 is perhaps the best thing. Naim is unfortunately a closed system, less closed than in the past, but not enough open as other brands. In the future perhaps, naim will do usb dacs, and we will have more possibilities. 

Many thanks for the direct and open feedback. We are aware that this one has not been as perfect a launch as we planned and your views are noted and felt here at Naim. We strive to exceed expectations and are applying all efforts to accelerate feature and bug fixing upgrades to ensure your Uniti Core delights.

We felt confident in releasing Core, as a key feature we built into our new platform was simple over the air updates that allowed for continued product improvement, bug fixing and feature updates to add even greater value over the lifetime of the product. Such updates have been forthcoming since launch. Core software development was always the priority as the ripping engine capability transfers to Uniti Star.

We’ve had great feedback on sound quality and many customers are reporting they really enjoy the product.

However, we recognise some updates have taken more time than we had ever hoped. The importance of metadata editing cannot be underestimated and we understand the frustration in this delay. We are currently planning to release this Mid-April. Our Beta testers have been informed to expect a Beta of Metadata editing by the end of this week. We have put great effort into the integration of the ripping application and player into one combined app, with an improved editing function, which we feel is more elegant than ever.

We made the decision to not develop a desktop version applying our effort into mobile, which our current user data suggests is by far the most widely used interface – tablet and smart phone. We know this will disappoint some users and in an ideal world we would cater for every instance and user case.

Regarding editing imported music in the download folder: we did not specify this, as the majority of music dropped here will be from another primary rip or source and pre-edited. We will of course continue to monitor usage patterns but is not a priority feature today. This feature has never been part of the traditional Naim Server architecture and has not been significantly requested, hence out lack of priority.

Once again, I’m sorry we have disappointed you, but please let me assure you that we take every criticism seriously and are working tremendously hard at making Core a product that every owner is both pleased with and proud of owning.

Trevor

Guys,I am looking for a music server/NAS and will be demoing a unitiserve in 2 weeks to feed my 272,I currently just use a laptop to stream,with an attached hard drive.I can get the Unitiserve for half price,it  is brand new(just that it is the demo unit),or should I hold off for the core?I guess what I want to know is,will the core sound better,using RCA output to my 272,or to my Hugo,feeding the 272...or Melco?

Thank you for taking the time to explain the thinking behind the Core and what you hope to achieve. I hope it all works out eventually.

For now, the delays in the Uniti all-in-one's appearing, and the poor user experiences being relayed of the new Core in action are unfortunate. However, your reputation over the years for producing rock solid products and accepting responsibility for problems will buy you good will and understanding, provided this underpinning approach remains.

I look forward to being able to see and hear the whole new Uniti range soon, and also to understand how you intend to resolve the visual mismatch between the new Uniti's and the Classic range which threatens to derail the current upgrade route from the Uniti models.

Trevor Wilson posted:

…Regarding editing imported music in the download folder: we did not specify this, as the majority of music dropped here will be from another primary rip or source and pre-edited. We will of course continue to monitor usage patterns but is not a priority feature today. This feature has never been part of the traditional Naim Server architecture and has not been significantly requested, hence out lack of priority…

Trevor

Very disappointing. Most downloads need editing in my experience. 'Pre-editing' is variable. One supplier I use always displays the artist in caps, another leaves 'genre' blank.

Yes, you can do it via Metadatics but if you make a mistake or have a rethink on how you want the data to appear then the only option is to remove the download, edit and recopy to the drive. That's cumbersome and short-sighted.

Richard Morris posted:

Trevor Wilson posted:

…Regarding editing imported music in the download folder: we did not specify this, as the majority of music dropped here will be from another primary rip or source and pre-edited. We will of course continue to monitor usage patterns but is not a priority feature today. This feature has never been part of the traditional Naim Server architecture and has not been significantly requested, hence out lack of priority…

Trevor

Very disappointing. Most downloads need editing in my experience. 'Pre-editing' is variable. One supplier I use always displays the artist in caps, another leaves 'genre' blank.

Yes, you can do it via Metadatics but if you make a mistake or have a rethink on how you want the data to appear then the only option is to remove the download, edit and recopy to the drive. That's cumbersome and short-sighted.

+1

I also find it disappointing and surprising that Naim are taking this attitude. The argument that it was never part of Naim's server architecture is frankly fatuous. User-replaceable hard disc drives weren't part of Naim's server architecture either, but that was changed in the new product.

best

David