Digitising vinyl

yes, here:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...ransferring-lp-to-pc

and more recently, here:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...ly=69426746528208201

Only thing I should say is that since recommending the Korg MR-2 among others, I got hold of one and tested it out and unfortunately I was a bit disappointed.  I found not only a little bit flaky in the operational firmware but also sound performance was fairly soundly beaten by the Sony PCM-M10 regardless of format or resolution. 

There was a thread on this topic very recently, and another mayvpbe 6 months ago -searching should find.

I see Richard has beeten me to it with the recent one, just checked and the older one I was thinking of was this:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/copy-lps?

I think the answer depends largely on what your ears can (or cannot) hear.

I've used the Rega A2D to record vinyl, and then discovered that it records in 16 bit/44Khz, so CD quality which still sounds great.  I then bought a SIIG A2D converter which does up to 24/192, and a side-by-side comparison revealed some detail missing from the 16/44 recording.

I deduced from this that 16/44 is great, 24/96 is better, but I can't tell the difference between 24/96 & 24/192. Both are above 16/44 in terms of SQ.

There are test files out there to help you decide, but I see little point in using the highest SQ recording using the most storage space if your ears cannot tell the difference.

Neil

I have been slowly digitising my vinyl for a number of years, 500 so far.

Currently using an Edirol R-05.

Recording at 9624.

If going to this time consuming bother worth doing it at a high quality, and processing down later if you want something for your phone.

How about the RokBlok

You can stream to your iphone via bluetooth.  So for everything except mobile listening this is your answer (you could laso install recorder on your iphone and record through that probably).

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djh1697 posted:

Yes you read correctly. Not for quality, but convenience! I can hardly place an LP in my iPhone can i? I want to do this as well as i can within my budget, better than CD quality of course. I have a Rega A2D, does any one use or suggest anything else? I had noticed a steinberg ur22 on a popular auction site? If I digitise at high resolution, then use software to convert to a lower bitrate can be easily done. Has this topic already being covered?

I posted the thread a few months ago referred to above.

The Korg MR-2 & Sony PCM 10 are no longer available as far as I can ascertain ?!

Edirol R-05 is mentioned by "Mr Underhill" - I looked it up and it comes up as "Roland R-052 which appears to be the same machine.

I have been investigating, and have found it very difficult to get info on specific machines.

I did ask the chap at the Sony stand at the Bristol Show, but he had no idea what I was describing

It appears "Mr Underhill's" recommendation is a step forward !!!

The replacement for the Sony PCM-M10 and PCM-D50 is the PCM-D100, which will record at up to 24bit 192kHz and DSD.  Hitherto the Korg has been the only DSD and 24/192 capable portable recorder, but my hands on experience with it was disappointing. The Sonys appear to have rather better pre-amps and electronics and just made recordings that are more engaging to these ears.  Compared to the LP source I felt that the Korg at 24/192 was a little bit bass light and "digital" sounding - good in isolation but compared to the Sony, it lacked some impact and was a bit soulless. The little PCM-M10 made far nicer recordings, very close to the source, even at the lower 24bit 96kHz sampling.  It has really increased my admiration for the little M10.  I'm tempted to try out a D100 but it's going to have a tough time beating its little forerunner.

An alternative that I haven't tried might be the Tascam DR-100 MkIII. It's appreciably larger than the others but looks good and seems to tick a lot of boxes at a very affordable price. It may be worth checking out if the Sony PCM-D100 is out of reach.

Richard Dane posted:

The replacement for the Sony PCM-M10 and PCM-D50 is the PCM-D100, which will record at up to 24bit 192kHz and DSD.  Hitherto the Korg has been the only DSD and 24/192 capable portable recorder, but my hands on experience with it was disappointing. The Sonys appear to have rather better pre-amps and electronics and just made recordings that are more engaging to these ears.  Compared to the LP source I felt that the Korg at 24/192 was a little bit bass light and "digital" sounding - good in isolation but compared to the Sony, it lacked some impact and was a bit soulless. The little PCM-M10 made far nicer recordings, very close to the source, even at the lower 24bit 96kHz sampling.  It has really increased my admiration for the little M10.  I'm tempted to try out a D100 but it's going to have a tough time beating its little forerunner.

An alternative that I haven't tried might be the Tascam DR-100 MkIII. It's appreciably larger than the others but looks good and seems to tick a lot of boxes at a very affordable price. It may be worth checking out if the Sony PCM-D100 is out of reach.

Fair enough.  I am happy with my Korg MR2.  Recordings (line input) are often very difficult to tell apart from the original.  Haven't noticed the bass lightness you mention.  I will admit that the last time I compared the LP with the Korg's recording was a couple of years ago, when I still had my Active 135 system with SBLs, LP12/Ekos1/DTK (not Rua)/Prefix2, and my LP12 has been considerably upgraded since then.

Can't be a*sed to do the comparison again.

Mr Underhill posted:

 

 

If going to this time consuming bother worth doing it at a high quality, and processing down later if you want something for your phone.

 

In terms of quality everything comes down to how good the original master & media are. But I find the ripped LPs to be excellent.

 

M

Thank you for your advice, the reason for high quality rips, would be as you state above, it is far easier to "process down", so i might as well do a good job.  

Pleasure. It is a time consuming process, but I listen to the files every day. As a friend of mine says when he pops round, "Sounds like an LP12". He is damning with faint praise as his rig has little of the original turntable left, and is mainly metal!

M

DJH,

I would recommend having a look at this post I did a while ago:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/ripping-yarns-3

It includes some software that I use to remove pops and crackles. It is very effective and MUCH better than me doing the process manually.

If you have any mono records then you can remove the poorer channel and double up the good one, I have had some great results on some of my older vinyl doing this.

M

Thanks for article. Just to clarify, the input from turntable connects to the headphone-style socket line-in on these units? So it's finding a cable that's Din to 3.5mm jack?

I think that maybe a customer cable, I've not seen any that offer the output from the DIN to a 3.5mm jack. Perhaps DIN to 4 phono's, then an adaptor from 2 phono's to 3.5mm jack?

I use Chord Chrysalis 2 x 3.5mm jack to DIN5.  IIRC Hifi Review also offered a similar lead back in the day.  I would contact Chord cable co. who should be able to supply something suitable, with the benefit of avoiding the need for adaptors.

Hi AyisG,

No. The output from the turntable will not have had any equalisation applied to it.

You CAN do this, and then use Audacity to apply various RIAA curves - works well, and interesting to try various standard curves, and then learn a bit about the early history of vinyl.

I use an EAR868, which has a first rate phono section. I use one pair of outputs to connect to the Roland via phono leads into a phono > 3.5mm jack.

M

Thank you all. 

Forgot to mention I use a Superline, hence my Din-->3.5mm jack. 

Yes, you will use one of the record in/out DIN5s on your Naim pre-amp.  The lead is a DIN5 - 2x 3.5mm jack. You connect the in jack to the line in and out jack to the line out.  This allows you to monitor the recording as it's made - so long as the recorder itself allows this (most do).  As I say, I use the Chord Chrysalis for this and it works very well.