CD555

jon honeyball posted:

rsch posted:

Sorry, a bit of topic but depreciation is much more severe with certain cars, let alone maintenance costs and taxes. On the other hand there are few exceptions way better than Blue Chips. A friend of mine living in Bruxelles, early last year bought a Porsche Boxter 3.8 Spyder which is now  worth at least 20% more than original RP.

Regards

Roberto

hard to see why -- the world is not short of boxters, and they still make them.

No, Boxter 3.8 Spyder has a unique bodystyle, it's fitted with 3,8 engine from 991 Carrera S 375 PS plus GT model chassis parts. A total of 2500 has been built from late 2015/early 2016. I regret myself having swapped a Lotus Exige 260 Cup in 2014 for a lemon of Evora , today it would be worth more than what i payed in UK from Lipscomb Lotus in 2009.

Regards

Roberto

Foot tapper posted:

Ah, but now with turbocharged 4 cylinder engines, not lovely, smooth & responsive, naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engines...

Would that be the equivalent of Naim hypothetically fitting standby circuitry? Give me a longitudinally mounted straight six anyday.

Chris

Yeah my BMW is a turbo 2 litre 4 cylinder - power in abundance - but the old straight 6 engines were something else!

Now that CDS players are discontinued has anyone mentioned the Rega Isis / Isis valve as alternative ?

(Guess they now regret the naming)

Actually the Isis and Osiris were named after the Egyptian god and his sister/wife , so only a few thousand years before any current similarity.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Ah, but you didn't love it enough to want to keep it. Therein lies the problem: pay £12,000, take it out of the shop and it's worth £5,000.

So the answer is to buy it secondhand for £5,000. Then five years later it's still worth £5,000. Factor into that a service and it would still represent a reasonable 'investment'.

Clive B posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Ah, but you didn't love it enough to want to keep it. Therein lies the problem: pay £12,000, take it out of the shop and it's worth £5,000.

So the answer is to buy it secondhand for £5,000. Then five years later it's still worth £5,000. Factor into that a service and it would still represent a reasonable 'investment'.

I see a Investment as something that generates wealth!  Like most cars, hi-fi may generate much happiness but is unlikely to generate wealth. Let's avoid surcomming to marketing think. 

Paul

That's why I put the inverted commas around the word investment. I was just making a point about how depreciation works.

Apply the same rule when buying hi-fi that you should when gambling - only spend (bet) what you can afford to lose. Whilst buying second hand can save a lot of money, it means foregoing the dealer support / installation services that many of us appreciate, as well as the warranty that can be very reassuring. 

I have one or two friends who love to tell of their financial coups, but are surprisingly reticent when it comes to the disasters!! Whilst we all like to get good value for our hard earned cash, getting too hung up on price and depreciation only detracts from enjoyment.

Tim

Paul Quigley ie posted:

Clive B posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Ah, but you didn't love it enough to want to keep it. Therein lies the problem: pay £12,000, take it out of the shop and it's worth £5,000.

So the answer is to buy it secondhand for £5,000. Then five years later it's still worth £5,000. Factor into that a service and it would still represent a reasonable 'investment'.

I see a Investment as something that generates wealth!  Like most cars, hi-fi may generate much happiness but is unlikely to generate wealth. Let's avoid surcomming to marketing think. 

Paul

'Investment' is often used in the context of personal happiness, rather than the more literal investment to make money. So let's avoid succumbing to being over literal. 

The point I was trying to make was that buying a CD player (or car, watch or whatever) for £15,000 when you think it may be worth £3,000 in five years time is different to buying it when you think it may be worth £10,000 in five years time. When the 555 was introduced it was more like the latter than the former. So it's a different sort of investment decision, where the cost per play is now significantly higher, and is influenced by how much you value the enjoyment from listening to your CDs. Of course, if you simply buy it and intend to keep it, like PB said above, it really doesn't matter. 

Paul Quigley ie posted:

 

 

I see a Investment as something that generates wealth!  Like most cars, hi-fi may generate much happiness but is unlikely to generate wealth. Let's avoid surcomming to marketing think. 

Paul

I see a good investment as one which generates wealth, alas I've made many which didn't. 

.sjb

I see a good investment as something that is of value to me.  My Hi-Fi is just that.   

don't fool yourselves, hi-fi is like a car, it is not an investment

just buy it to enjoy it.

it could only be viewed as an "investment" if it stops you spending even more money, on other things like sports cars.

Hi-fi gives me immense joy, a car, well, that is money down the drain.

rsch posted:

jon honeyball posted:

rsch posted:

Sorry, a bit of topic but depreciation is much more severe with certain cars, let alone maintenance costs and taxes. On the other hand there are few exceptions way better than Blue Chips. A friend of mine living in Bruxelles, early last year bought a Porsche Boxter 3.8 Spyder which is now  worth at least 20% more than original RP.

Regards

Roberto

hard to see why -- the world is not short of boxters, and they still make them.

No, Boxter 3.8 Spyder has a unique bodystyle, it's fitted with 3,8 engine from 991 Carrera S 375 PS plus GT model chassis parts. A total of 2500 has been built from late 2015/early 2016. I regret myself having swapped a Lotus Exige 260 Cup in 2014 for a lemon of Evora , today it would be worth more than what i payed in UK from Lipscomb Lotus in 2009.

Regards

Roberto

There will always be a bigger better faster porsche coming along soon enough.

jon honeyball posted:

There will always be a bigger better faster porsche coming along soon enough.

Which is, of course, just what the world needs now.

Clive B posted:

jon honeyball posted:

There will always be a bigger better faster porsche coming along soon enough.

Which is, of course, just what the world needs now.

Oh - from that Chris I detect judgement with regard to what type of car people should drive?

Well, I guess we're nearing an end to the the OP's question:

Any logic in buying a Brand New CD555?

It's been nearly a week, when Manu dropped the bomb:

""MANUTRADE MEMBER

4/10/17 11:47 AM

Sorry to break the party but Naim no longer make CD555, so no chances to get a brand new one...""

Have we gone off on a tangent! 

I think the best investment one can make, is to invest in himself!

Then he can partake in the finer things in Life!

Nice homes, sport cars, and Naim!

Allante93!

Dealer demo stock has always struck me as a good compromise. Pay a bit more than open market used price in exchange for warranty and support.

If I were flush with cash (as opposed to saving every penny I can for retirement in a few short years), then splurging on a new, big ticket audio item would be a lot of fun. In fact, part of why I visit here is to live vicariously through the audio purchases of other members!

jon honeyball posted:

rsch posted:

jon honeyball posted:

rsch posted:

Sorry, a bit of topic but depreciation is much more severe with certain cars, let alone maintenance costs and taxes. On the other hand there are few exceptions way better than Blue Chips. A friend of mine living in Bruxelles, early last year bought a Porsche Boxter 3.8 Spyder which is now  worth at least 20% more than original RP.

Regards

Roberto

hard to see why -- the world is not short of boxters, and they still make them.

No, Boxter 3.8 Spyder has a unique bodystyle, it's fitted with 3,8 engine from 991 Carrera S 375 PS plus GT model chassis parts. A total of 2500 has been built from late 2015/early 2016. I regret myself having swapped a Lotus Exige 260 Cup in 2014 for a lemon of Evora , today it would be worth more than what i payed in UK from Lipscomb Lotus in 2009.

Regards

Roberto

There will always be a bigger better faster porsche coming along soon enough.

991 Turbo is faster than 991 R but the former has big depreciation the latter was sold out from the start and worth now 3x its original RP

Regards

Roberto

You'll very likely look like a t w a t whichever you choose. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

You'll very likely look like a t w a t whichever you choose. 

Not to petrol-heads.

Hungryhalibut posted:

You'll very likely look like a t w a t whichever you choose. 

Stereotyping there HH I fear. 

Nothing like a bit of stereotyping. We were pootling though Guildford on the A3 on Saturday and a Porsche driver was joining from the left. We kept going at 50, which as anyone who drives through Guildford knows is the speed limit, couldn't move to the right as the traffic was heavy. What should the joining car do? Slow down of course, and slip in behind us. But no, they zoom in front and make a wanker sign at us. What were we supposed to do? Disappear? Who is the wanker? Not me guv. It's the pillock in the Porsche, with the very small penis. Maybe one day he'll meet a tree and the roads will be a safer and nicer place. 

Come on HH, that post does you a dis-service.

Don't worry, the whole country is coming to a grinding halt so maybe people should move on from spending six figure sums on cars.

i suggest hifi....