8TB Drive Recommendation for Core

I plan on setting up scheduled backup to my existing synology 1515+ which I am going to wire into a closet as it is loud. I would not entrust my music collection to a single drive. The core will go in my av rack when that happens 

Dupree,can you tell me what or if there were power supplies on the 272?I am trying to decide if I should get a 555dr or a core plus an xpsdr...I already have a Hugo and 272/250dr.

At the dealer it was an XPS-DR. I have a straight 272/250 DR. I am going to take one home next week. I would first start as simple as possible. Go straight from the core to the BNC digital on the 272; see whether an external DAC is necessary at all. Then try XPS/DR that seems to always help a bit with the 272. However try one thing at a time to make sure you are spending in the right area. You can buy a lot of records for the price of any of these upgrades 

Interesting thoughts,what was the previous source that the core improved upon so much?

Never mind Dupree,I just re-read your second post.

im not sure of the benefits of the internal drive -- you will need to back it up to an external anyway. It whacks up the power consumption. why not just use storage on an external nas?

jon honeyball posted:

im not sure of the benefits of the internal drive -- you will need to back it up to an external anyway. It whacks up the power consumption. why not just use storage on an external nas?

The way I do the math is that if you use an internal drive, yes you need to back it up to an external drive.  If you use an external drive, you need to back THAT up to another external drive.  

All things being equal, I'm not sure that there is any advantage to putting a drive in a Core.  Or not.  Maybe keeping the heat load down is a reason to "not." 

I would like to ascertain whether using a drive external to the core diminishes the SQ in any way. If you value your music libarary you need to have a backup regardless. RAID is not a backup, it is extra redundancy, RAID can and does fail especially software RAID that all the NAS devices use. 

jon honeyball posted:

im not sure of the benefits of the internal drive -- you will need to back it up to an external anyway. It whacks up the power consumption. why not just use storage on an external nas?

so what's the point of Core in that use case? Struggling to understand its relevance.

DUPREE posted:

Cbr600 posted:

My core is installed with a 10tb barracuda drive

So it supports 10tb drives? That is great. Can you post the Seagate P/N.. I was originally thinking of 

https://www.newegg.com/Product...9003&ignorebbr=1

But I think I would go 10tb just to make sure all is good for the forseeable future.

See image of pro drive 10tb

i wonder to buy 10 to samsung pro ssd drive to my future core, 3 times the price of a core.      ............just joking

but baracouda, why not. I will need no more than 2tb, and thinking buying, if i get a core, ssd drive. I am tired of the noises of my unitserve hdd...

In the pics I see a video drive - Would this be a good drive for the CORE?

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate...C/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

The recommended drive (you can read it in the support info on the Naim website) is the Seagate Video HDD. There is also a recommended SSD, the Samsung EVO 850.

best

David

DUPREE posted:

In the pics I see a video drive - Would this be a good drive for the CORE?

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate...C/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

they recommend 2,5 hdd or ssd, not 3,5. some have also w red or toshiba...not only seagate video or samsung evo hdd. 

intothevoid posted:

jon honeyball posted:

im not sure of the benefits of the internal drive -- you will need to back it up to an external anyway. It whacks up the power consumption. why not just use storage on an external nas?

so what's the point of Core in that use case? Struggling to understand its relevance.

1. You're not the first to question it's relevance.

2. Any hard drive needs to be backed up.  The relevance issue is unrelated to whether it's a device that needs to be backed up. 

As the owner and user of a core with the barracuda drive, I assure you the core is designed with a carrier to take a 3.5 hdd (or a smaller ssd).

having existing 18tb nas drives, I wanted as large a hdd as I could get, for future proofing 

I just checked the Naim website and the recommended drives are Seagate Pipeline (which in some markets is/was called Video) HDD and Samsung 850 SSD. No WD red or Toshiba. And it's 3.5 inch for the HDD but 2.5 inch for the SSD.

best

David

Before I purchased my drive I contacted Naim for specific advise on suitable drives, and asked about such issues as drive speeds(rpm) and read /write speeds, etc.

advise given was that the cores demands on the drive were very low level, and most drives would be OK, so it's a question of personal preferences

Cbr600 posted:

As the owner and user of a core with the barracuda drive, I assure you the core is designed with a carrier to take a 3.5 hdd (or a smaller ssd).

having existing 18tb nas drives, I wanted as large a hdd as I could get, for future proofing 

ok, didn't know it would work, because naim recommends 2,5 . 

David Hendon posted:

I just checked the Naim website and the recommended drives are Seagate Pipeline (which in some markets is/was called Video) HDD and Samsung 850 SSD. No WD red or Toshiba. And it's 3.5 inch for the HDD but 2.5 inch for the SSD.

best

David

yes i read that naim recommends seagate hdd and samsung evo ssd, but i read on this forum that some users utilize also toshiba and wd red and are happy with them....

DUPREE posted:

It's about 2500 bucks. I have listened to it multiple times at ProMusica in Chicago. Connected to a DAC the overwhelming consensus has been it blows a NDX or 272 playing UPnP out of the water - I really couldn't decide whether the NDS was any better, maybe some can. Of course this is a different and more direct playback than ethernet and that could be a big part of it. However the improvement is clear with any decent DAC - he demoed it with a Naim DAC and a Chord Dac and both were clearly clearly superior to the UPnP NDX or 272. I am going to get one when funds permit which is looking like soon and go direct CoAx into my 272. Playing direct from the core is amazing sounding; if you don't believe it just listen. 

Was the NDX using its built in DAC?

Keler Pierre posted:

David Hendon posted:

I just checked the Naim website and the recommended drives are Seagate Pipeline (which in some markets is/was called Video) HDD and Samsung 850 SSD. No WD red or Toshiba. And it's 3.5 inch for the HDD but 2.5 inch for the SSD.

best

David

yes i read that naim recommends seagate hdd and samsung evo ssd, but i read on this forum that some users utilize also toshiba and wd red and are happy with them....

The point is that pretty well anything will work fine, but the internal HDD runs 24/7 unless you put the Core into deep sleep and so what is in question is how long they will last before you get a failure. The Pipeline/Video HDDs are designed to run 24/7.

best

David

I take the recommendations with a shovel of salt. Its what they have tried and found to work well, which is not the same as an exclusive recommendation list. As for "best for sound quality" I'd question that too given the number of firmware changes that have happened since the "recommendation" came out

A couple of replies in one here:

NAS -- any nas needs a second nas as a backup anyway.

Whats core good for? well it streams spdif into NDAC, which is what it is doing in my system. I'm not using it for rip or storage at present. 

jon honeyball posted:

NAS -- any nas needs a second nas as a backup anyway.

Not strictly true,  yes 100% a backup is very important & I would not risk being without,  but it hasn't got to be another NAS.