Recorders
Posted by: Richard Dane on 19 April 2017
Recorders.
No, not those wooden flute-like things that are used as instruments of torture on teachers and parents. This is a thread about recorders used in a hifi context; analogue tape, whether cassette, reel or cartridge; or digital, whether on tape, disc or digital file.
The inspiration for this thread was my recent trip down to Worthing to drop off my Nakamichi ZX-9 for a much needed service. I was somewhat taken aback to learn that the turn around time is currently 15+ weeks. It seems that audio tape in all forms is undergoing something of a rennaisance and Bowers & Wilkins Nakamichi service department has seen a big upswing in demand for their services. So it would seem that analogue tape recorders are making a bit of a comeback. Or are they..?
With the Nak gone I've been dusting off some of my old cassette decks, renewing belts, pinch rollers etc.. and digging out old cassettes for some taping fun. From the excellent Denon DR-M44HX and Aiwa AD-F770 still two of the best sounding decks outside of the Nakamichi stable, to some wonderful oldies like the monster Nakamichi 700, to one of the earliest cassette players, the Philips EL3302. And I haven't even mentioned the R2Rs yet..
However, I find that while tape recording is fun, it's more of a diversion. Fact is I do very little serious recording on the many tape machines I have. Mostly they are used for playback - the reel to reel decks in particular. Most of my recording these days is done from analogue to digital and so I have contributed a fair bit to a few threads in recent months asking about transcribing cherished vinyl and the like to digital. Keen to take computers out of the music room, this has coincided with my own testing of a number of stand alone digital recorders.
In the last month I have been testing a Marantz PMD661 MkII recorder and in many respects it is the best yet for the intended role of digital recorder within the main system. You'll recall I didn't really get on with the Korg MR-2, even with 24/192 and DSD, much preferring the sound quality from the Sony PCM-M10 and PCM-D50. The M10 offers SQ that at 24bit 96kHz via the line inputs is within an ace of the D50 but in a smaller package, with amazing battery life, and for anyone needing a pocketable stealth recorder for recording in the field at very high quality, it's probably in a league of one. However, the Marantz, while much bigger than the Sony, has proved itself to not only perform superbly at 24/96 but also it's much nicer to use in the system. The first advantage it has is the display - it's a lovely OLED display that is easily read in any light. The SONYs are LCD and need backlighting to read properly, which is a real pain, particularly on the M10. There's also a supplemental LED record level display at the bottom of the Marantz recorder, just like tape decks of old. What's more, the Marantz has adjustable L+R record level, a proper quarter inch headphone jack, a proper RCA phono line out (although line in is only a 3.5mm jack if you need a single ended input), and a coaxial digital input. With the latter it would have been nice to have an output too, as on the bigger PMD671, or perhaps a switch to allow either. The Marantz has an air of a proper professional bit of kit - it even says so on the case! The Sonys are, well, Sonys... They embody what Sony seems to do best; lovely little jewels of miniature electronics, nicely built and superbly finished. But sat next to the Marantz they look a bit like toys.
It's early days and I need to process the 24/96 recordings and then play them back through the big DAC, but the Marantz may well be a keeper here. It has definitely tempered my hankering for the Sony PCM-D100. Do I really need 24/192 or DSD..??
Here are some pics;
Interestingly, the PMD661 isn't that much smaller than the first compact cassette recorder...
A couple of old pics, but they're still in service 
Elbow posted:A couple of old pics, but they're still in service
Very nice, Elbow. I no longer have my WM-D6C - It never lived up to the good rep, in my opinion. Sony replaced it too but there was always detectable wow on piano notes that should not have been there and unacceptable tape path wander on anything longer than a C-60. It still have my DC2 and D3 though but rarely use them these days.
I've posted these before, but here's my late model Dragon, serviced by B&W four years ago and still going strong. I'm surprised sometimes at how much I use it, but given that cassettes are such fun to both play and record, maybe I shouldn't be:
As a recorder player, of the flute variety, I feel insulted by Mr Dane's comments about them being instruments of torture! They can be played quite beautifully in the right hands.
How about picking on screechy violins, deafening trumpets, very loud drums or the piano chopsticks curse!
I realise that no insult was intended.
The Italian for recorder is 'Flauto Dolce' which means 'sweet flute'. 'Naim' is a Middle Eastern name which I believe translates as 'sweet'
Therefore it is perfectly natural as a recorder player that I have used a Naim amplifier for over thirty years, (Nait 1 then Nait XS).
Richard Dane posted:Tabby cat posted:Got an itch to get an Aiwa a 770 or 990. Always liked the sound of a bottom of the range one I had in 1982.I loved the meter LEDs on it.Green - Yellow - Red..... Gourgous to my eyes !
Cheers Ian
Ian, the AD-F660 or AD-F770 would be my choice. Both are very similar with an excellent closed loop dual capstan transport and three heads for off tape monitoring. The 770 adds an effective auto tape tuning facility (the 660 offers only variable bias on Type I and II tapes) and a nice FL display, but the 660 has the multi-coloured LED meters you like. The 990 is nice but harder to find and not really worth a premium over the 770 in my opinion - with its auto record level, it tried to be a bit too clever for its own good. I have a 770 and recently restored a 660 - both sound very similar, and very good.
Ooooooo I remember lusting after those Aiwa tape decks in the mid-to-late 80's too - I keep looking on eBay at them (and Nakamichi's too) but just can't bring myself to buy one ... just like old computer hardware and Mk2 Escorts I'm sure it's "rose tinted spectacles" for me.
Phil
jon honeyball posted:removed
Yeah but it would just be for the same reasons as I bought a Sony TCD-D3 back in the early '90s ... simply because I liked the way that it worked mechanically.
Phil
I've had this for decades. bought it second hand. Its just started slipping, but i found a service kit on ebay so may have a go at it.
