Recorders

Posted by: Richard Dane on 19 April 2017

Recorders.

No, not those wooden flute-like things that are used as instruments of torture on teachers and parents. This is a thread about recorders used in a hifi context; analogue tape, whether cassette, reel or cartridge; or digital, whether on tape, disc or digital file.

The inspiration for this thread was my recent trip down to Worthing to drop off my Nakamichi ZX-9 for a much needed service.  I was somewhat taken aback to learn that the turn around time is currently 15+ weeks.  It seems that audio tape in all forms is undergoing something of a rennaisance and Bowers & Wilkins Nakamichi service department has seen a big upswing in demand for their services. So it would seem that analogue tape recorders are making a bit of a comeback.  Or are they..?

With the Nak gone I've been dusting off some of my old cassette decks, renewing belts, pinch rollers etc.. and digging out old cassettes for some taping fun.  From the excellent Denon DR-M44HX and Aiwa AD-F770 still two of the best sounding decks outside of the Nakamichi stable, to some wonderful oldies like the monster Nakamichi 700, to one of the earliest cassette players, the Philips EL3302.  And I haven't even mentioned the R2Rs yet.. 

However, I find that while tape recording is fun, it's more of a diversion.  Fact is I do very little serious recording on the many tape machines I have.  Mostly they are used for playback - the reel to reel decks in particular. Most of my recording these days is done from analogue to digital and so I have contributed a fair bit to a few threads in recent months asking about transcribing cherished vinyl and the like to digital.  Keen to take computers out of the music room, this has coincided with my own testing of a number of stand alone digital recorders.

In the last month I have been testing a Marantz PMD661 MkII recorder and in many respects it is the best yet for the intended role of digital recorder within the main system. You'll recall I didn't really get on with the Korg MR-2, even with 24/192 and DSD, much preferring the sound quality from the Sony PCM-M10 and PCM-D50.  The M10 offers SQ that at 24bit 96kHz via the line inputs is within an ace of the D50 but in a smaller package, with amazing battery life, and for anyone needing a pocketable stealth recorder for recording in the field at very high quality, it's probably in a league of one.  However, the Marantz, while much bigger than the Sony, has proved itself to not only perform superbly at 24/96 but also it's much nicer to use in the system.  The first advantage it has is the display - it's a lovely OLED display that is easily read in any light. The SONYs are LCD and need backlighting to read properly, which is a real pain, particularly on the M10. There's also a supplemental LED record level display at the bottom of the Marantz recorder, just like tape decks of old. What's more, the Marantz has adjustable L+R record level, a proper quarter inch headphone jack, a proper RCA phono line out (although line in is only a 3.5mm jack if you need a single ended input), and a coaxial digital input.  With the latter it would have been nice to have an output too, as on the bigger PMD671, or perhaps a switch to allow either.  The Marantz has an air of a proper professional bit of kit - it even says so on the case!  The Sonys are, well, Sonys...  They embody what Sony seems to do best; lovely little jewels of miniature electronics, nicely built and superbly finished. But sat next to the Marantz they look a bit like toys.

It's early days and I need to process the 24/96 recordings and then play them back through the big DAC, but the Marantz may well be a keeper here.  It has definitely tempered my hankering for the Sony PCM-D100.  Do I really need 24/192 or DSD..??

Here are some pics;

Interestingly, the PMD661 isn't that much smaller than the first compact cassette recorder...

Posted on: 23 November 2017 by Ivo B
Richard Dane posted:

I love those big Pioneers Ivo.  Is that a CT-F1250 on the left?  And maybe a CT-F900 or CT-F950 at the bottom?  And the RT-707 is very cool indeed...

Thank you Richard! On the left - CT-F900. On the right down - CT-F 1250. On top of RT707 - NAK BX300e. The look of these Pioneer components is a catcher for me, the sound of the "poor man's Dragon" is a delight. I miss the CT-F 950 but there is no place. I have invaded too much my daughter's room already. The TT PLC590 is a killer but it's not mine unfortunately. 

ATB, 

Ivo

 

Posted on: 23 November 2017 by Ivo B
Tabby cat posted:

Lovely picture Ivo thanks for posting

Thank you for the nice words Tabby cat! 

Posted on: 23 November 2017 by jon h

If you want a recommendation of a truly cracking piece of kit, the Zoom F8 recorder is astonishing value for money. 8 mic/line preamps, 10 channels of recording at 192k/24bit. Beautiful build quality. Like a mini Sound Devices 788T (which I also have) or a Nagra (which I also have)

Just 800 quid or so. 

Posted on: 24 November 2017 by Tabby cat

Richard re - reading this thread tonight got me thinking about the LX series.Having never seen one except in photos.I know the LX 5 was the top in the the LX series.I remember in systems pics years ago a member had got a LX 5 and it looked gourgous a departure styling wise from the black facia with the silver front.

Have you heard one before ?

An advert by a London dealer back in the flat earth years I always remember in HiFi Answers went Nak is to Black what Ferrari is to Red...... beautiful !

Posted on: 24 November 2017 by Tony2011

Interesting analogy, Ian. I’m curious to find out  where Richard thinks his newly serviced ZX-9 stands in comparison to the Ferrari automotive lineup. 

Posted on: 24 November 2017 by Richard Dane

Ah yes, that was KJ if I remember rightly...

Yes, a friend at school had an LX-5 and I still have an LX-3 (essentially the same bar no off tape monitoring). They're nice decks, styled after the 700ZXE and ZXL, albeit some don't like the extent of the plastics used on the facsias. 

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Tabby cat
Tony2011 posted:

Interesting analogy, Ian. I’m curious to find out  where Richard thinks his newly serviced ZX-9 stands in comparison to the Ferrari automotive lineup. 

Tony I would put Richards ZX9 in the Ferrari line up as a F40.......an absolute analogue classic of a car..... Wishing you a good weekend.

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Allante93
Richard Dane posted:

Jon, it was in the 1983 Cassette Deck digest edition of Hifi Choice where I first read Angus McKenzie's glowing review of both the ZX-9 and Dragon that I fell in love and knew I had to have one of them one day. At the time, all i could afford was a BX-2, which was a revelation compared to the Technics deck it replaced. Then, helped by a very strong pound and weak yen at the time, the BX-2 was joined by the new RX-202. The 202 lasted many years in spite of a number of repairs that were required to keep the flipping cassette mechanism in good working order (it used to get a case of the jitters).  My last new Nak deck purchase was a Cassette Deck 1.5, and that only went when the opportunity to buy a lovely ZX-9 came up.

Thanks for the story about Angus' Dragon.  Please post any pictures you may have.

Wow, Funny How Time Flies!

Janet Jackson. Nice tune!

Yes, my deck was the Nak 680ZX.

Beautiful deck.

Just Googled:

<680 ZX vs Z-9 vs Dragon>

My 680ZX fail short, splitting hairs, of course.

According to the Nakamichi maniacs.

My first Nak was the wedge shape 600, the 680ZX was noticeably better than the 600.

One thing for sure, the 680ZX, was. Good looker!

Kind of hate I sold it now!

And old proverb, a good thing sells itself.

That's what I love About Naim!

Within the last 3 years, I've acquired roughly $20K of Pre-loved Naim gear.

The Market could easily render $15K.

$12K within a week.

Not Bad!

Enjoy Your Music!

Allante93!

PS. That was the Golden Age Of The Cassette Recorders! 

The 80's

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Robiwan
Richard Dane posted:

For TC and Phil, I took some pics for you of the Aiwas (AD-F660 and AD-F770) in action.  Spot the differences...

Those Aiwa's looked plastic fantastic but sounded pretty fine. 

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Richard Dane

TC, I found an old pic of my LX-3 on the 'net:

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by Tabby cat

Thanks Richard for posting it.

Yeah lovely aesthetics - just so understatedly stylish the green back light in the cassette door and the red LED s  and the chrome front....it would definitely be on my big lotto win list.... In my Nak room !

 In my recorder collection I also have the Tandberg 3014 A  an absolute beast of a deck but it recently stopped rewinding in one direction so going to just keep it as a bit of eye candy  - as I know it's going to be a tall order for repair and replacement parts.Would post some pics of it but to be honest I am not very Tec savvy with things like that on the internet.

Wishing you a relaxing Sunday