Chord Sarum T

musicfan51 posted:

Allante93 posted:

glevethan posted:

Here is a copy and paste from my post of several weeks ago

"Music, imho, is an end game cable"

Personally, I would be happy with Naim's Top Tier System, way back in 2014!

555CD>552DR>Snaxo>3 x 500>Briks

Standard Naim IC & Hi Line with Nac A5

But, things are changing, Music, not in this life Time!

However, Sarum T with Taylon, Source & XLR.

And that old, Chord Signature Speaker Cable.

I'm in Heaven!

Just Dreaming!

Enjoy your Music, the Why!

Allante93!

PS.

TTs ~ LINN / Amps ~ Naim

ICs & Speaker Cable~ Chord

 

Did you get Sarum T Interconnect and XLRs or are you dreaming about getting them ? 

Dreaming!

So we're probably all agreed then, T is better than the Super Sarum 

does anyone know the cost of the upgrade 

1. IC din - din

2. din - xlr 

3. Speaker cables

lyndon

has anyone tried the tonearm cable ??

might start a new thread for that one

lyndon posted:

So we're probably all agreed then, T is better than the Super Sarum 

does anyone know the cost of the upgrade 

1. IC din - din

2. din - xlr 

3. Speaker cables

lyndon

 

has anyone tried the tonearm cable ??

might start a new thread for that one

I read Chord can upgrade your Sarum & Sarum aray Interconnects for 40% of the Sarum Ts . Not sure if that pertains to Super Sarum Aray ! ChordMusic is a Super Sarum Aray with Taylon dielectric! 

lyndon posted:

So we're probably all agreed then, T is better than the Super Sarum 

does anyone know the cost of the upgrade 

1. IC din - din

2. din - xlr 

3. Speaker cables

lyndon

 

has anyone tried the tonearm cable ??

might start a new thread for that one

I found this online. Don't know if you can get better prices though...

Some Sarum T arriving Chez Dolan on Tuesday  perhaps not what you might expect, but little steps 

musicfan51 posted:

I read Chord can upgrade your Sarum & Sarum aray Interconnects for 40% of the Sarum Ts . Not sure if that pertains to Super Sarum Aray ! ChordMusic is a Super Sarum Aray with Taylon dielectric! 

I think you'll find that Sarum T is Super Aray with the Taylon dielectric (and now the new Din plugs). The Chord Music, whilst still using the Taylon, also features a different conductor.

I heard the Chord Music interconnect at Cymbiosis last weekend installed between a Linn Urika (LP12 phono stage) and Naim Audio NAC552 pre-amp. I also heard the Sarum T. Whilst the Sarum T is a superb interconnect, the Music is in a whole different class.

Clive - I don't believe that I could agree more 

Hi Chris,

As you no doubt know, if the Sarum T cable you will be hearing is brand new, it may require some playing time to really come into it's full potential.    I have had a new pair playing on my NAT 01 tuner for a few weeks now, and that was certainly sufficient to allow it to get into a zone of being utterly enchanting.    Now, whether this is the full potential remains to be heard....

Good listening,

Bruce

bdnyc posted:

As you no doubt know, if the Sarum T cable you will be hearing is brand new, it may require some playing time to really come into it's full potential. 

Hi Bruce - it is new. It arrived at Cymbiosis from Chord on Thursday  As I said it is not what you might expect, but I will hopefully add more on Tuesday.  

Hi Chris,

What is "not what you might expect" about this cable?    What role in your system will it be playing?    

Enjoy the ride,

Bruce

Chris is the first, as far as I know, to go from an SSA mains cable to a T on his Radikal. I'm really interested to hear how he gets on with it.

My experience so far of burn in with Taylon is that it far, far less painful - on Music in any case - in that it sounds great from the off and just continues to get better...

I shall be back off holidays tomorrow (sitting in the airport lounge thanks to a 6 hour delay as I write this) and hopefully my upgraded SSA cables will be waiting for me together with an upgraded Music interconnect. Looking forward to hearing them...

tara labs evolution zero cables received a lot of praise in the high end audio community. Chord music are perhaps not the last and final step.  They are very expensive, 10 k for 1m if i remember...but i found many reviews recently who praise a lot them ( high fidelity poland, stereophile, positive feedback, dagogo( tara labs gold). )

Just to share, because there is not only chord or naim cables, and all the posts on cables are always chord t, chord music, naim superlumina...

My cables are also chord , signature tuned array, and i am very pleased. But if i had nearly limitless funds, like those who can buy naim statement, i would try some different high end cables, not only chord or vertere( superlumina).

But maybe chord music is the last cable to have, who knows?

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

yes, very probably, but if i had the money i would try to see. I would compare chord t, tara labs, and nordost. If not pleased with tara labs and nordost, i would return simply them.

For my inner experience, no dealer in Paris advised me to have a tube preamp with naim amp: it will not work, naim goes with naim and bla-bla-bla..... But i tried the ear 912 all tube preamp with my past nap 250. I had 252/ supercap/ 250 before. After 10 minutes listening at dealer place( with my nap 250), i knew that i had to buy the ear 912 and sell the 252/supercap: all was better to my ears, even dynamic!  fluency, soundstage, true tones, definition of the bass, and general dynamics.

Choosing chord cables is easier and less risky, but sometimes we can have very good surprises. 

varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

+1.... In fact the very first Chord Chrysalis was unofficially designed with help from Naim, and according to Chord went on to influence all their later interconnects.

But technologies change, and Sarum Aray is a real innovation and improvement, and so are the really excellent Vertere interconnects and cables, so plenty of choice in the market if one cannot afford the Superlumina.

To my ears Vertere cables do not sound like Superlumina as they are made of different material, insulations, voiced by different companies and designers.

analogmusic posted:

varyat posted:

Keler- You make excellent points re other high end cables. One big difference , at least to me, is that Chord has a long history making/voicing cables for Naim amps . Their upper tier cables thus should, in theory, have a leg up on other cable manufacturers who do not/have not had the long history/experience with the Naim sound. Not saying that the Cardas may not sound great with Naim, just unlikely that they have a Naim amp in their workshop to play tunes through

ATB,

Mark

 

+1.... In fact the very first Chord Chrysalis was unofficially designed with help from Naim, and according to Chord went on to influence all their later interconnects.

But technologies change, and Sarum Aray is a real innovation and improvement, and so are the really excellent Vertere interconnects and cables, so plenty of choice in the market if one cannot afford the Superlumina.

To my ears Vertere cables do not sound like Superlumina as they are made of different material, insulations, voiced by different companies and designers.

 

superlumina are vertere.  I wanted to point that it is not impossible to find even better cables than superlumina or even chord music.   There is no reason that naim components have to sound best only with superlumina or chord sarum or music.  Probably but not certainly.

Tara labs or nordost are used on a lot of different high end electronics, tube, solid state or hybrid. Naim audio is not a unique and specific brand, closed on itself, and unable to work with other brands. It was that at the beginning of naim, with only din to din connectors.

I think that the fear in naim community to associate other brands to naim components is still present and i think it is a little sad.

I think the point that some are trying to make is that certain cables, such as Chord and Superlumina (Vertere), have better SYNERGY and excel at similar traits as Naim components do.

A Porsche 911 Turbo is a better and faster car than a BMW M4 however if the owner wants to go fast on a rough and gravelly road the BMW might be better adept at that type of usage rather than a 911 which will do better on a smoother surface.  Better synergy with the road surface.

Chord, and others, seem to have better synergy with what Naim users are after - PRAT, musicality and timing.  Not to say that Nordost or others are not "better" cables - perhaps however they are better in other parameters and thus have better synergy with other HiFi brands.

Well vertere speaker cables and superlumina speakers cables really do not sound the same. Me and friends did the test many times now. 

Superlumina is voiced by Naim and is really a naim cable.

analogmusic posted:

Well vertere speaker cables and superlumina speakers cables really do not sound the same. Me and friends did the test many times now. 

Superlumina is voiced by Naim and is really a naim cable.

 

ok, i didn't know.

glevethan posted:

I think the point that some are trying to make is that certain cables, such as Chord and Superlumina (Vertere), have better SYNERGY and excel at similar traits as Naim components do.

A Porsche 911 Turbo is a better and faster car than a BMW M4 however if the owner wants to go fast on a rough and gravelly road the BMW might be better adept at that type of usage rather than a 911 which will do better on a smoother surface.  Better synergy with the road surface.

Chord, and others, seem to have better synergy with what Naim users are after - PRAT, musicality and timing.  Not to say that Nordost or others are not "better" cables - perhaps however they are better in other parameters and thus have better synergy with other HiFi brands.

this synergy is the common synergy. There is no reason to not find other synergy combination.

In car auto brand, there are for example all porsche 911 car, optimized by porsche, and also RUF who is optimizing porsche with his proper philosophy and parts.

I had before nac 252/supercap/ nap 250 and went to an all tube preamp/ear 912 with the nap 250: i found a fantastic synergy between the two, with same dynamics capabilities but more true tone colors, more open soundstage and more fluency. And the ear 912 was cheaper a bit vs nac 252/supercap.

bdnyc posted:

What is "not what you might expect" about this cable?    What role in your system will it be playing?    

Hi Bruce - as Dave J said it's a Sarum T mains cable for the Radikal powering my LP12 / Urika 

Chris Dolan posted:

bdnyc posted:

What is "not what you might expect" about this cable?    What role in your system will it be playing?    

Hi Bruce - as Dave J said it's a Sarum T mains cable for the Radikal powering my LP12 / Urika 

Chord does not make power cords (main cables) for the USA market. Wish they did ! 

There are advantages to these fine cables not being available in the US.   It is already hard enough when you realize how many nooks and crannies in a system could be improved upon by introducing better cables.

Chris,

When you have some time with the cables, perhaps you could assess the sonic impact of using these Chord AC power cords in your system context for the rest of us?

Thanks,

Bruce

bdnyc posted:

There are advantages to these fine cables not being available in the US.   It is already hard enough when you realize how many nooks and crannies in a system could be improved upon by introducing better cables.

Chris,

When you have some time with the cables, perhaps you could assess the sonic impact of using these Chord AC power cords in your system context for the rest of us?

Thanks,

Bruce

I guess my skepticism towards luxe Cables, have been based on two themes:

Firstly, I can't see spending that type of cash, for a piece of wire.

Secondly, a couple years ago, the 500 Club was rocking Nac A5.

The following Article has opened my eyes, give it a read in your spare time.

Here's the intro and url:

Why do we need Better Cables?

Continued Innovation In Audio Equipment Drives the Need For Higher Quality Cables

We should examine the work of a bunch of pioneering guys – Peter Walker, Ivor Tiefenbrun, Julian Vereker, Bob Stuart, Mark Levinson, Dan D’Agostino, Ed Meitner, Dave Wilson, Alon Wolf and Yoav Geva. Who are these guys? What did they do to awaken the interest of Joe Reynolds (Nordost), George Cardas (Cardas Audio), Dr. Ray Kimber (Kimber Kable) and Edwin van der Kley (Siltech), leading lights in the cable industry?

https://www.pressreader.com/ca...0101/281582355295062

As it pertains to my second theme, Perhaps Naim was just late to the Party.

Allante93!

PS. As it pertains to my first theme, the trickled down technologies, has been passed down to less expensive Cables.

Allante93 posted:

bdnyc posted:

There are advantages to these fine cables not being available in the US.   It is already hard enough when you realize how many nooks and crannies in a system could be improved upon by introducing better cables.

Chris,

When you have some time with the cables, perhaps you could assess the sonic impact of using these Chord AC power cords in your system context for the rest of us?

Thanks,

Bruce

I guess my skepticism towards luxe Cables, have been based on two themes:

Firstly, I can't see spending that type of cash, for a piece of wire.

Secondly, a couple years ago, the 500 Club was rocking Nac A5.

The following Article has opened my eyes, give it a read in your spare time.

Here's the intro and url:

Why do we need Better Cables?

Continued Innovation In Audio Equipment Drives the Need For Higher Quality Cables

We should examine the work of a bunch of pioneering guys – Peter Walker, Ivor Tiefenbrun, Julian Vereker, Bob Stuart, Mark Levinson, Dan D’Agostino, Ed Meitner, Dave Wilson, Alon Wolf and Yoav Geva. Who are these guys? What did they do to awaken the interest of Joe Reynolds (Nordost), George Cardas (Cardas Audio), Dr. Ray Kimber (Kimber Kable) and Edwin van der Kley (Siltech), leading lights in the cable industry?

https://www.pressreader.com/ca...0101/281582355295062

As it pertains to my second theme, Perhaps Naim was just late to the Party.

Allante93!

PS. As it pertains to my first theme, the trickled down technologies, has been passed down to less expensive Cables.

 

Allante93 - I suspect ('tone control' aspects of analogue signal cables aside) the need for 'better' cables comes from our increasingly congested EM environment that systems now need to operate in rather some revolutionary breakthrough in cable design (whatever the cable manufacturers say)

James

PS - Your article is blocked here so i'll have a read when i get home later.