cd system enhancement

If these disks were say £500 I'd buy one. They're too cheap to take seriously

wenger2015 posted:

 It does seem somewhat odd though to have strong views on the subject but actually never tried one?

 

This reminds me of that story of Adam and Eve. All bad things come from there. Why why why did she take that fruit?

I say no to these disks and still live in Paradise!

joerand posted:

Emre posted:    you never know.....

I know because I have a logic-based system of reasoning and along with it no desire to piss money down a drain.

The tellurium disc offers a great case for REW software to measure the before and after and test results to determine a significant difference, but since no one has done that (not even the manufacturer) it's pure snake oil.

then comes a trusted friend says it works...... 

In my own listening tests I compared a track each from The Beatles and from JS Bach.   And found that I couldn't determine which was which.   

After using one of these enhancement discs the differences between Bach and The Beatles was startlingly obvious.   

Would any software be able to test and measure any significant differences here to help clarify my conclusions.  

the one with ringo is Beatles.....

Emre posted:

the one with ringo is Beatles.....

Unless it's Barbara Bach.

Eoink posted:

Emre posted:

the one with ringo is Beatles.....

Unless it's Barbara Bach.

I did never notice that Ringo Star's kids were called Wilhelm Friedeman and Carl Philip Emmanuel and that he was married to a lady 300 years ago ...

Adam Zielinski posted:

Joe - have you actually tried the TQ disc yourself, since you express such strong views here?

Of course not Adam. I have a logic-based system of reasoning and no desire to waste my time or money. There are means available to measure the efficacy of the disc manufacturer's claims and without these I see no merit. If they existed, wouldn't Tellurium provide the results?

I'll stick to playing music to work out my system. If I feel it needs a good cleansing I'll grab a used Yoko Ono CD from the dollar bin and give my system a real run through the briers.

joerand posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

Joe - have you actually tried the TQ disc yourself, since you express such strong views here?

Of course not Adam. I have a logic-based system of reasoning and no desire to waste my time or money. There are means available to measure the efficacy of the disc manufacturer's claims and without these I see no merit. If they existed, wouldn't Tellurium provide the results?

I'll stick to playing music to work out my system. If I feel it needs a good cleansing I'll grab a used Yoko Ono CD from the dollar bin and give my system a real run through the briers.

Fair enough Joe

If you ever stumble upon one (TQ Enhancement disc) just try it and let me know what you think.

Logic also says that Ethernet leads don't make a difference. I remember saying to another member that they'd wasted their money, purely based on logic. On reflection I thought I'd better try one before being so certain, and to my surprise it made a good difference and the other member was right and I was wrong. 

These discs may be better at warming up a system, rather than just playing music. I've not tried one so cannot say. I'm not risking the purchase price though. 

I can't argue against the Yoko Ono cd suggestion, except to say the enhancement disc has a much better melody 

KTMax posted:

If your system is on 24/7 like mine is, switching it off & on every few weeks clearly improves the sound too. Just a power off for 10 sec. is enough. Dunno why or how but it works. Maybe it has something to do with static/standing charges in components & cables that change or disappear with a power down & up?

I bought the Ayre System Enhancement Disc and play the "Full Glide Tone" track every couple of weeks and it does improve the SQ.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Logic also says that Ethernet leads don't make a difference. I remember saying to another member that they'd wasted their money, purely based on logic. On reflection I thought I'd better try one before being so certain, and to my surprise it made a good difference and the other member was right and I was wrong. 

These discs may be better at warming up a system, rather than just playing music. I've not tried one so cannot say. I'm not risking the purchase price though. 

HH, I have just ended  up with a 2nd TQ disc.

When you purchase the Silver Diamonds they send one in the box.

You are more then welcome to give it a try, if you wish.

Just email me and I can send it to you at no cost.

it could be like instead of playing 5 hours of club music - 5 hours of Bach - 5 hours of Cult - 5 hours of Kenny Rogers - 5 hours of Miles David you just play 1 hour of magical CD....

Do i make sense? 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Logic also says that Ethernet leads don't make a difference.

Faulty logic. The TQ disc claims to make changes in an existing system, all things constant. When you change a cable you introduce another variable.

Logic concludes :  must be the blind leading the blind.    Still didn't do Gandhi any harm !

Adam Zielinski posted:

joerand posted:

Emre posted:    you never know.....

I know because I have a logic-based system of reasoning and along with it no desire to piss money down a drain.

The tellurium disc offers a great case for REW software to measure the before and after and test results to determine a significant difference, but since no one has done that (not even the manufacturer) it's pure snake oil.

Joe - have you actually tried the TQ disc yourself, since you express such strong views here?

But then TQ are notorious for not providing data to "back up" their products/claims. And the Ultra Black speaker cables I use are simply magnificent, despite the lack of frequency response measurements and associated data.

Steve O, I think you're confusing the crux of the issue here. Cables are chosen subjectively by a listener for the audible changes they make in a system's output, without regard to measurements. To say that simply playing a CD in a given system changes its overall performance or output is an entirely different claim.

joerand posted:

Steve O, I think you're confusing the crux of the issue here. Cables are chosen subjectively by a listener for the audible changes they make in a system's output, without regard to measurements. To say that simply playing a CD in a given system changes its overall performance or output is an entirely different claim.

I would be prepared to bet that more people buy stuff because it looks cool than "for the audible changes they make in a system's output". As for measurements, if published , most people don't bother to read them, and of those that do, most won't understand them. So I doubt many manufacturers feel the need to publish them, and in any case, they are probably more useful to their competitors than to their customers. 

ChrisSU posted:

joerand posted:

Steve O, I think you're confusing the crux of the issue here. Cables are chosen subjectively by a listener for the audible changes they make in a system's output, without regard to measurements. To say that simply playing a CD in a given system changes its overall performance or output is an entirely different claim.

I would be prepared to bet that more people buy stuff because it looks cool than "for the audible changes they make in a system's output". As for measurements, if published , most people don't bother to read them, and of those that do, most won't understand them. So I doubt many manufacturers feel the need to publish them, and in any case, they are probably more useful to their competitors than to their customers. 

I would be surprised if anyone buys based  on 'something looking cool' ....?

It's ones 'ears' .... and ones wallet that decides?

I ran the warm up track through the system yesterday afternoon. I listened to a few seconds and then went out. I  played an album in the evening and Hilary asked 'what's this?', which is pretty rare. Then when I put on some Andräs Schiff playing Beethoven this morning I thought 'blimey, this sounds good'. Maybe it's the enhancement cd, maybe it's the air pressure, maybe it's all in my head, I don't know, but things certainly seem more lively and engaging, like the system has had a strong coffee and woken up - though it didn't sound sleepy at all before. 

Thank you very much, Wenger, for kindly sending me your spare CD, it's much appreciated. 

Yes. Very similar experience here. Although I have to bear in mind that my XPS DR is settling in - having run the Tellurium disc through the system - I heard a real crispness to Elgar's Cello Concerto that I had not experienced before.

Even if this is mild placebo I'm pleased I bought it and will run it through on a weekly basis going forward.

Hungryhalibut posted:

I ran the warm up track through the system yesterday afternoon. I listened to a few seconds and then went out. I  played an album in the evening and Hilary asked 'what's this?', which is pretty rare. Then when I put on some Andräs Schiff playing Beethoven this morning I thought 'blimey, this sounds good'. Maybe it's the enhancement cd, maybe it's the air pressure, maybe it's all in my head, I don't know, but things certainly seem more lively and engaging, like the system has had a strong coffee and woken up - though it didn't sound sleepy at all before. 

Thank you very much, Wenger, for kindly sending me your spare CD, it's much appreciated. 

Your welcome, that's a good description by the way ' the system has had a strong coffee' even though your system was sounding rather good anyway.

wenger2015 posted:

ChrisSU posted:

joerand posted:

Steve O, I think you're confusing the crux of the issue here. Cables are chosen subjectively by a listener for the audible changes they make in a system's output, without regard to measurements. To say that simply playing a CD in a given system changes its overall performance or output is an entirely different claim.

I would be prepared to bet that more people buy stuff because it looks cool than "for the audible changes they make in a system's output". As for measurements, if published , most people don't bother to read them, and of those that do, most won't understand them. So I doubt many manufacturers feel the need to publish them, and in any case, they are probably more useful to their competitors than to their customers. 

I would be surprised if anyone buys based  on 'something looking cool' ....?

It's ones 'ears' .... and ones wallet that decides?

I bought my Naim system based on aesthetics. Also the cult like atmosphere surrounding the company makes it fun to own.

Going through some old Hi-Fi boxes at the weekend i found an unopened TQ 'enhancement' disc so will give it a go later. What volume do you play it at as there seems to be little instruction on what to do with it  (apart from play it...) ?

James