Chassis or Float? which is the best..

Posted by: spacey on 22 May 2017

Chassis or Float the Ethernet input?

I can't hear any difference in either option with my SuperUniti so thought I'd ask users which they've experienced to be the best option in such a circumstance? 

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by Finkfan

Unless you have a source like a CD player Id put it on chassis. 

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by Klout10

If you have another grounded source e.g. a CD player connected put the switch to floating, otherwise ground...

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by spacey

Yeah I don't have anything else plugged, other than the TV via optical but the ethernet is CAT6a which is screened so earthed via the NAS too.   

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by Mike-B
spacey posted:

Yeah I don't have anything else plugged, other than the TV via optical but the ethernet is CAT6a which is screened so earthed via the NAS too.   

Ethernet screen should not be considered as an earth,  in fact its advisable to only have a network earthed at only point.     The SU RJ45 port is shielded & connected to its power supply earth,  QNAP is also connected to earth via its SMPS,  but what connects the two ethernets ??  is it via the wireless hub ??  or a pukka switch ??.     Wireless hubs don't have shielded ports to carry ethernet screen connections so are not a problem.  But some switches do have shielded ports & in this case its advisable to put a break of some sort in the screen between SU & NAS.  

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by spacey

thanks Mike, yeah it's a BT wireless router. Didn't think about the fact that the hub is all plastic bodied so the earth to the QNAP can't be Connected 

Posted on: 22 May 2017 by Pyrrhon

In my case there is a little hum on chassis but the sound is more punhy. On float its dead quiet but more relaxed. I prefer the chassis despite the small noise. 

Posted on: 23 May 2017 by Klout10
Pyrrhon posted:

In my case there is a little hum on chassis but the sound is more punhy. On float its dead quiet but more relaxed. I prefer the chassis despite the small noise. 

good to hear that you let your own ears decide!

Posted on: 24 May 2017 by spacey

I can't hear any difference either way, so best left on ground then - cheers guys 

Posted on: 25 May 2017 by Peter W

In the past 12 months I have added a Meridian 200 CD transport and a Lehmann Black Cube SE II phono stage (with PWX off board PS) to my system.

The Meridian unit is double insulated and there is no earth pin in the socket, so I am convinced that it has no mains grounding.

I am not sure about the Lehmann though, but I suspect the PS is earthed. Or perhaps it does not matter at all because the PS is not directly connected to the system anyway? Any thoughts? My electrical / electronic knowledge is rather poor, so please be gentle guys.

Posted on: 25 May 2017 by james n

Hi Peter - from the system you list in your profile you have a known signal ground to mains earth ground in the NDS. In addition you have another possible connection from the turntable and the Lehmann phono stage. The Meridian 200 is not an issue - as you say it has no mains earth connection and the S/PDIF connection to the NDS even if it is via coax (rather than optical) is transformer coupled. 

You don't mention any hum problems so all looks fine with regards any ground loops. As a simple experiment you could try setting the NDS ground switch from Chassis to Float and see if there is any SQ difference. If not then leave in the Chassis position. 

James

 

Posted on: 25 May 2017 by TOBYJUG

Given the choice. It could come down ultimately that this switch is a Heterological switch.

Posted on: 25 May 2017 by Huge
TOBYJUG posted:

Given the choice. It could come down ultimately that this switch is a Heterological switch.

It is, perforce, mechanically autological (evidence: the haptic feedback on changing its position and the visual state thereafter).

However certainly for the ND5 XS I previously had, using a continuity tester, I was able to prove that it's electrically autological as well.

Posted on: 26 May 2017 by Peter W
james n posted:

Hi Peter - from the system you list in your profile you have a known signal ground to mains earth ground in the NDS. In addition you have another possible connection from the turntable and the Lehmann phono stage. The Meridian 200 is not an issue - as you say it has no mains earth connection and the S/PDIF connection to the NDS even if it is via coax (rather than optical) is transformer coupled. 

You don't mention any hum problems so all looks fine with regards any ground loops. As a simple experiment you could try setting the NDS ground switch from Chassis to Float and see if there is any SQ difference. If not then leave in the Chassis position. 

James

 

Thanks James. I actually do not have hum problems. I asked because I wished to follow Naim's recommendation, i.e. "Chassis" if no other sources with ground and "Floating" if otherwise.

How can I check whether the Lehmann is earthed?

Posted on: 26 May 2017 by james n

Hi Peter - that's good. With the TT connected to the Lehmann and the Lehmann disconnected from the pre-amp Just measure continuity between the earth pin on the mains plug of the TT and one of the outer rings of the RCA sockets on the Lehmann. Do the same but this time with the Lehmann's mains plug earth pin instead of the TT.

No continuity means no signal to mains earth from this source and you can follow Naims recommended Chassis setting. 

If you don't want to do that, then just try changing the switch setting and seeing if there is a difference in SQ. You won't blow anything up.

James