Violence on the streets

Actually a friend of mine stacks shelves in 'Tesco' (actually Morrisons, but..). She thinks it's a great job. Diverse, well paid and a huge amount of options for her future, far better than being a civil servant for the previous 25 years.

So has a well deserved (but probably would have wanted to keep the job she had) early severance or early retirement package.

Cheers

Don

She  realises how lucky she was to have pension scheme at such low cost to her and joining it at the outset was kind of automatic. I don't think she really wanted to carry on there very much though! .

Steeve

That's what I said in the 3rd paragraph of the post from which you abstracted your quoteation

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Don

Oops...apologies...lack of attention to detail!

Steeve

No problem. We all have a point of view and saying the same thing twice etc doesn't hurt.

This forum is one place where IMHO attention to detail is probably the last thing we need to worry about.........although reading some of the posts (including mine) this might not be self-evident !

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Don

In addition to the bankers and university fees being at the root cause of the recent riots........

 I presume that the middle-class rioters were protesting about civil servants, teachers, postal workers, health administartors  and other government paid emploees, who earn higher average wages than their private industry counter-parts and enjoy inflation-proofed pensions at 2/3 their final salary, all in return for burdening private enterprise with beaurocratic, time-consuming, expensive and largely pointless governance. All at the tax-payers' expense.

No wonder this county has been brought to its knees. But I still don't condone the rioting.

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Don

In addition to the bankers and university fees being at the root cause of the recent riots........

The worst root cause by far is corporate tax avoidance that usually goes into offshore bank accounts where it is used to reward huge bumper payments to the non deserving. Great for luxury yacht sales, luxury property sales, prestige sports car market etc, for the corrupt members of the company outfit board, while back home in rainy Britain the honest worker is fed on constant recession news with a big bad SquillionBillionTrillion Pound Debt Problem the bankers caused lock stock and barrel. and (like a black hole in a Star Trek film) sucking up all our money in for the next couple of hundred thousand years…

I presume that the middle-class rioters were protesting about…. <snip>

Middle-class, what 99% of them?

Well if you say so Ron, probably they mistook the misadventure for the Revolution.

Perhaps we should blame 'fluoridation in the water' or just say, “That’s your Commie for ya”.

....civil servants, teachers, postal workers, health administartors and other government paid emploees, who earn higher average wages than their private industry counter-parts and enjoy inflation-proofed pensions at 2/3 their final salary, all in return for burdening private enterprise with beaurocratic, time-consuming, expensive and largely pointless governance. All at the tax-payers' expense.

Firstly, the only Public sector job that’s not in the past been paid by the tax payer (Government) is your postal workers in Royal Mail. That’s because it’s past has been in business that‘s made money by selling stamps for postage ect. So traditionally Royal Mail has paid it’s own way, in the past RM has been a fair principled equal opportunities employer which once paid over 200,000 staff, most of them with a modest pension, and also put profit money into the coffers of the treasurer too.

But this arrangement is very unfashionable these days because this is the age of Trumped up Private Companies with a ruthless attitude to trampling all over workers conditions and pay.

These days we have to modernise into the most basic cost stripping public service, huge staff losses on early retirements, ripped off pension fund, and to be privatised so every available pound of profit goes strait into the city for greedy super-rich shareholder bankers, (while employees on minimum basic slave-wage)

Royal Mail is not privatised as yet... but already this ridiculous legalised fraud has long been put in place where upon TNT, Deutsche-Post, UK-Mail, City Mail, DHL, et al. are given most of the postage money for doing very little while Royal Mail are forced (by corrupt legality) to process and deliver the mail at a great loss, so competitor companies are laughing all the way to the bank (paying their own employees peanuts) while members of their boardrooms get rich quick.

Royal Mail’s accounts are sadly no longer transparent, the Government has set RM up for a failure while they point at it and parot on about it needing privatising.

A new Chairwoman has been imposed upon Royal Mail, Mora Greedy, a Canadian, and evil ex-seal clubber, has helped out with the ruin of Royal Mail over past few months and already received a jolly big bumper bonus of £142,000 for her complete failure to succeed on doing anything.

No wonder this county has been brought to its knees. But I still don't condone the rioting.

You still don’t have to condone the rioting, Ron, or the looting, no one is asking you to.

It’s only a touch of social fragmentation, lots more of it to come I bet.

But what is very shocking is your dislike for public services.

When these services are closed down or down sized the private money grabbing companies will move in, they will shaft employee conditions, and award huge pay-packets, masive pensions, and big bonuses for the top managers no fear. All at the tax-payers expense - to quote what you said above.

But I guess you’ll be a lot happier in the land of privatisations, Ron.

It will probably all be just as cheap as chips,

just like travelling by train, what is it these days 50p return?

Or perhaps just as easy as paying your gas bill.... a bit of loose change?…

or helping out the Power Barons when paying you electricity bill… 25 quid for a cold winter quarter?

No problem for you, Ron, this privatisation laugh!  

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Cheers

Don

Cheers yourself  

Debs

Just another little point that has bothered me over the last few days.

How do Camerona and his Cohorts imagine that a sentance of Four years for calling people to riot (on Facebook, and it never happened) will play out to the greater Rioting populus when compared to 8 months for a corrupt M,P, (does only 4) for stealing from all our pockets by fiddling their expences.

One Law for One...

...and the bankers steal millions,

and they don't even get arrested and charged!

I thought we had established that the bankers hadn't committed any criminal acts, immoral ones, risk-taking, poor judgement ? - yes?

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Don

Don,

no, it was understood is that if corrupt laws are made by criminal law-makers to legalise wrong doing, then those people involved who assume legality may be regarded as criminals even if an actual law does not exist to oppose them.

Right Wing Tory voting judges (who are probably paid a salary of millions) are presently dealing out Victorian style injustice to many young rioters, custodial sentences for pinching a bottle of water or a couple of scoops of ice-cream, very minor offences!

I can agree with sending down the petrol bombers and murderers, (they can even shoot them i wouldn't mind) and any of the other violent ones such as the muggers who hurt and mugged the Malaysian student.

But most of the minor offenders are young people who've never been to prison before, community work sentencing would work far better for them, but sending them to HMP the University of Crime is very rough justice where they will only get to learn the three e's (burglaree, robberee, and buggeree)

Most will only come out as very bitter-hardened criminals knowing full well their record inside will always exclude them completely from ever gaining honest employment.

What is very clearly shown here is the disgraceful law practise of the UK that allow the Banking Classes to rob plunder and loot billions of pounds of the UK's wealth, while ruthlessly conducting the needless criminalization of an underclass that was deliberated socially engineered by Greedy Capitalists in the first place.

Debs

The UK has apparantly done a deal with Switzerland in which UK funds in Swiss banks will be taxed and returned to the UK Exchequer.

As I said earlier, it will take international co-operation. A useful start. Not the end, just a start.

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Don

Apparently the Swiss Banks have until a date in 2013 to comply.

This simply means the UK money in Swindleland with be long gone by then, probably to another offshore outfit, so we will get nothing.

So it’s only the Tory press rattling on about how those wonderful Bullington Club Boys are going to get our Billions back but in reality we won’t be getting a penny.

You are probably right. But at least someone is trying, so who knows - it might be a start.

Same applies to stopping the waste in the public sector and bring public sector salaries and pensions into line with reality and affordability. This would save billions and make for a much fairer Britain.

Sadly, I don't think it will happen.

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Don

The Swiss banks have agreed to hand over £5bn as a starter. Peanut, I know. HMRC estimate c. £7bn to £14bn pa from 2015 onwards.

Of course, I suppose we should have tried harder to get them to backdate to the Roman invasion, but hey, its a start.

G20 agreed to try to tighten alternative tax havens. As I keep saying, it will need widespread international co-operation, not just a few words from David or Nick.

Cheers

Don

I heard David Cameron on Today this morning say, "a common theme [between the rioting and banking] is responsibility". I took this at least as an acknowledgment of the problem. What he is capable of doing about addressing it, in either case, remains to be seen.

Chris

Delaying the banking reforms? So they can all go out with a bang?

That's my prediction anyway, time will tell... i hope i'm wrong.

Sort the inequality out would be a very obvious place to start but oh no...sometimes people just can't see the writing on the wall and can't see further than the end of their own noses.

Steve