Din to XLR cable

What type of DAC do you have? 

You won't have Hot and Cold connections as the Nait 1 is single ended not balanced.

Nait line level DIN connector
Pin 2  0V
Pin 3  Left In
Pin 5  Right In

Surely there are only 4 pins ???

Din - XLR

Lyndon

If you're referring to the amp, then you don't have a Nait 1.

You also need to provide much more information if you expect people to try to help you.

I looked at the din-xlr bit

assumed this was an amp/snaxo to power amp cable this is the only use I know of that Naim has for such a configuration 

never had a Nait and the nearest I've come to a DAC is the Bombay or Peking variety 

lyndon

Paul Quigley ie posted:

What type of DAC do you have? 

 

It's professional DAC by Apogee which has XLR output only. I reckon just connect Pin 2 of XLR to the pin of each channel in DIN connector and that's it, no ground or cold pins need to connnect/solder. What does "-ve" of DIN stand for, btw?

Off the top of my head I think DIN has something to do with the original inventor/ manufacturer of this connection 

think it was German

to your situation I would suggest having a look inside the DAC to see what connections are used

the thing might have a 4 or 5 pin socket but that has no relevance on how many wires are actually used

ie The din-xlr as used by Naim only 3 of the 4 pin Din are used 

chord now only produce a 3 pin din to be used for 5 pin din applications, although this only applies to a 180 degree din not a 240 degree 

hope the above gives you an idea of the complexity 

lyndon

dunnoguit posted:

Paul Quigley ie posted:

What type of DAC do you have? 

 

It's professional DAC by Apogee which has XLR output only. I reckon just connect Pin 2 of XLR to the pin of each channel in DIN connector and that's it, no ground or cold pins need to connnect/solder. What does "-ve" of DIN stand for, btw?

Not enough.

And not enough information:  What is the output structure of the DAC (i.e. how is the balanced output implemented)?

-ve = 0V.

If you don't understand what I mean then you may well not have enough knowledge to do the work.

lyndon posted:

Off the top of my head I think DIN has something to do with the original inventor/ manufacturer of this connection 

think it was German

to your situation I would suggest having a look inside the DAC to see what connections are used

the thing might have a 4 or 5 pin socket but that has no relevance on how many wires are actually used

ie The din-xlr as used by Naim only 3 of the 4 pin Din are used 

chord now only produce a 3 pin din to be used for 5 pin din applications, although this only applies to a 180 degree din not a 240 degree 

hope the above gives you an idea of the complexity 

lyndon

Thanks Lyndon, I'm pretty sure my DAC has pin 2 hot and Nait 1 has 180 degree din. Just chceked flashsale and their similar products seem to have connected pin 2 to din only.

If it is a professional DAC and  that DAC only has a professional XLR output you can not directly connect it to your Nait. Simplest to get another DAC or a non Naim amp.

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Think that is why he wants to make his own cable

lyndon

As Huge says mapping an XLR to DIN is not just a wiring mapping excercise if you want proper Hi-Fi quality. XLR is balanced, where this a ground,  and two out of phase signals for each channel, and DIN as used by Naim for inputs is a stereo unbalanced connector where there is a single left and right signal with a common 0v reference. These are two quite distinct ways of carrying a signal voltage, each has its pros and cons. XLR balanced is better for very long cable runs where the integrity between grounds between source and destination is unknown and electrically noisy environments .. hence often used in professional setups. DIN unbalanced is best for short cable runs, where the ground reference between source and destination is known and can be controlled.

Depending on your XLR source you could kludge it, by is isolating the ground and leave it unconnected and using the '-ve' as the ground on the XLR and turn it into a kind of unbalanced connection., or use the ground and the +ve of the XLR, These however won't be particularly quality or reliable ways of providing the connection.

The correct way would be to use a signal transformer or active coupling amp to convert the balanced stereo signal into an unbalanced stereo signal, or better if you can use an unbalanced stereo source.