Atc Scm 11 substitution

Yes ,you would definitely get a lot more. 

But not worth staying passive I think.

Anyway, not a technician myself but have you looked at those huge magnets assembly  ?

http://www.audiostereo.ro/ATC%...bass%201%20large.jpg

I'm running ATC SCM11s v2 partnered with a 272/555 DR/250 DR and SL loom, being fed from a UnitiServe. My listening room is 8' x 12' and the system sounds sublime to my ears. The speakers and SL loom were the last upgrades and in my room the balance, depth and sheer musicality is all I could ask for. Music sounds so natural and 'live' in a being there sense

Listening to my son's band new album (Dead Man's Whiskey - Under the Gun) which is on Tidal - shameless plug - and albums that I played on back in the day, and knowing what tracks like My Year sounded like in the control room, it's remarkable just how my system emulates not just the sound but the 'sensation' of being there.

Even if the mythical 372 / 572 ever got released I will listen long and hard before replacing the 272.

Back to the speakers, these really are remarkable at their price point. Trust me, I tried many other speakers, some costing over twice as much, and the SCMs worked best, for what I was looking for, in my room/system.

Yes ALANBASS1,you are the the guy I was thinking of in my previous post,thanks for your input,something to think about for SUNKING for sure,do not dismiss those speakers as the problem.

Not hard to believe ,in very small ,tiny rooms like this the extreme linearity of ATCs is the only options I think to build up a nice system. 

You did an extremely good job to accomodate the larger ones over the 7s.

The SCM7s lacked the punch and depth of the '11s and, being a bass player, the only way to go for me was the '11s

yes, they do.  I 've demoed all the line, bar 19 active.  

Well, guys, slow down

I checked the price of  272/250 and sincerly, I can not aford the combo. Used SN1 or big maybe on good price used SN2 would go. The sugested combo, as sweet as it may be, is out or reach.

Menwhile I had a convesation with a guy who owns Creek/Scm combo.he mainly listens to instrumental music and from his inital impression, he sounded clearly dissapointed by the dealer suggestion, that 55W amp is enough for 4m x 4m room. He is also looking for more powerful one.

Sun King posted:

Well, guys, slow down

I checked the price of  272/250 and sincerly, I can not aford the combo. Used SN1 or big maybe on good price used SN2 would go. The sugested combo, as sweet as it may be, is out or reach.

Menwhile I had a convesation with a guy who owns Creek/Scm combo.he mainly listens to instrumental music and from his inital impression, he sounded clearly dissapointed by the dealer suggestion, that 55W amp is enough for 4m x 4m room. He is also looking for more powerful one.

you can easily enjoy your atc scm11 with supernait, 1 or 2. With nait5i it was more difficult...

As for 282 or 272/ 250, you are not in a hurry..... In absolute terms, there is always and always better...never end.  If you buy 282/250, people will say you to upgrade your speakers,  etc...

For now you solved the problem of incompatibility of nait5i/ atc scm11, as for power/load.

Antonio1 posted:

Yes ,you would definitely get a lot more. 

But not worth staying passive I think.

Anyway, not a technician myself but have you looked at those huge magnets assembly  ?

 

http://www.audiostereo.ro/ATC%...bass%201%20large.jpg

Larger magnets allow the speaker designer to get more bass extension, or greater sensitivity, or an easier amplifier load, or a use a smaller box, or any combination of the four.

Sun King posted:

Well, guys, slow down

I checked the price of  272/250 and sincerly, I can not aford the combo. Used SN1 or big maybe on good price used SN2 would go. The sugested combo, as sweet as it may be, is out or reach.

 

However, the Supernait has a similar rated power section to the NAP250 and regardless of theory it is clear that your experience with the SCM11 / Supernait combination, the fact a 250matches well and ATC themselves recommending a power rating above 70w rms is likely why you were having the issues you were experiencing using the lessor rated power section of your current amp.

alanbass1 posted:

Sun King posted:

Well, guys, slow down

I checked the price of  272/250 and sincerly, I can not aford the combo. Used SN1 or big maybe on good price used SN2 would go. The sugested combo, as sweet as it may be, is out or reach.

 

However, the Supernait has a similar rated power section to the NAP250 and regardless of theory it is clear that your experience with the SCM11 / Supernait combination, the fact a 250matches well and ATC themselves recommending a power rating above 70w rms is likely why you were having the issues you were experiencing using the lessor rated power section of your current amp.

Without more information on the integration between the speaker and the room, that's not a guaranteed conclusion.

N.B. I'm not saying that's an incorrect conclusion, just that it's not the only possibility.

Huge posted:

alanbass1 posted:

Sun King posted:

Well, guys, slow down

I checked the price of  272/250 and sincerly, I can not aford the combo. Used SN1 or big maybe on good price used SN2 would go. The sugested combo, as sweet as it may be, is out or reach.

 

However, the Supernait has a similar rated power section to the NAP250 and regardless of theory it is clear that your experience with the SCM11 / Supernait combination, the fact a 250matches well and ATC themselves recommending a power rating above 70w rms is likely why you were having the issues you were experiencing using the lessor rated power section of your current amp.

Without more information on the integration between the speaker and the room, that's not a guaranteed conclusion.

N.B. I'm not saying that's an incorrect conclusion, just that it's not the only possibility.

I agree there are other factors. However, reading SUNKING's own account of how the Supernait transformed his listening experience in his circumstances I expect that in this specific case the higher rated/performing Supernait is the way to go for him.

alanbass1 posted:

I agree there are other factors. However, reading SUNKING's own account of how the Supernait transformed his listening experience in his circumstances I expect that in this specific case the higher rated/performing Supernait is the way to go for him.

Given that he can get the SN1 for a relatively low additional expenditure (about €600 - €800), then yes I wholeheartedly agree this is the right solution for him.

Huge, ex demo SN1 is a bit more - 1900 euros. Ex demo XS 2 goes for 1600. The price difference is a bit higher. There are not many used SN's availible on the market and I am not shure that I could sell 5si. I sold  my previous Rotel amp for a very low price after one year.

As far as room treatment - i moved speakers a bit more to the back an few cm more from the left wall, now both are slightly toed in.

Is it really an ex demo model, that SN1? The SN2 was released in 2013 if memory serves me. Check out the unit's year of production here: https://www.naimaudio.com/serial-numbers

1900 euros seems expensive.

I tought it is

Production year is 2011. And yes, it was extensively used as a demo model (also for home rental and listening).

What do you think should be a fair price?

Maybe I'm paranoid but it's strange keeping a discontinued unit for so long. Is the shop an authorised Naim dealer?

I would not pay more than 1500-1600 euros.

Yes, shop is the only dealer in my country and is an authorised dealer. 

I will have some talk with him about the price. Most adds for used Supernaits I saw are listing the same price range you suggested. 

Ardbeg, I think he will not take 5SI as a trade in.

+ trade in the 5si. The 5si is - assumed the speakers are less demanding - a nice integrated amp.

I would ask the question like that: how much if I trade in the 5si.

If not, be patient. The SN's pop up now and then and it is quite unpredictable. I was after 2 Nap 100's a while ago and all I could find were Nap 200's. So I bought the Nap 200's and instantly the Nap 100 popped up again. Happy with my Nap 200's though.

I am hijacking my own post with another queation.

Since I can not demo at home, how close does a Xs 2 + Flatcap Xs come to Supernait 1? How does the FC efect the amp?

Hope I get XS 2 for home demo tommorow and I can hardly wait.

Still, if anyone can comment on the Supernait price.

Regards, M.

Sun King posted:

I am hijacking my own post with another queation.

Since I can not demo at home, how close does a Xs 2 + Flatcap Xs come to Supernait 1? How does the FC efect the amp?

Hope I get XS 2 for home demo tommorow and I can hardly wait.

Still, if anyone can comment on the Supernait price.

Regards, M.

i recommend you the topics "nait xs vs supernait " on this forum, there are several.  ( go on "search" in the forum).  Some prefer the nait xs / flatcap more refined and open, other the fuller and stronger supernait.  For your type of music, i would say supernait...

I think that as you're going to get the XS 2 on demo (and compare it to the SN1), by far the best thing is see how it matches your speakers in your room rather than getting prejudgements from other people's comparisons of different amps (XS vs SN or XS 2 vs SN2) with different source components and different speakers all in different rooms!

Prudent words above from Huge and since none of us have insight into your wallet I'd further to make your own evaluations based on what your ears tell you at home, how you value the costs, and don't worry about what others here have found. Why would you? Who's buying your system, you or the forum?

'com on Huge, Joerand. A SN is eating the XS for breakfast after it has run many circles around it.

It is that sort of comment that is really unhelpful, unlike those of Huge and Joe. How can you possibly know which the OP will prefer? There are many who prefer the Nait XS to the SN1 or the SN2 come to that.