Kudos X3 Home Demo

Posted by: SongStream on 17 June 2017

For the last week I've had a pair of Kudos X3s on home demo courtesy of Signals. I don't know how many hours these speakers had on them when I took them away, but if there was any doubt as to whether they were fully run-in, rest assured, they are now.


So....how are they?  Honest, is the word I've come up with for a single word answer. It seems to me that too many speakers, even at this price point, seem to over-do top and / or bottom in an attempt to be impressive. Not here. These speakers manage to properly unravel everything right across the frequency range, and don't need to add boom, or screech to compensate for any failings. They are, without doubt, the most revealing and enjoyable speaker I have ever heard. They also tread that fine line, sounding refined while not being boring and laid back. I jokingly said to Andy at Signals last week that what I really wanted was Mission 752s, but just better; I think that's what I've found.


The main thing that would instantly grate on me with my outgoing Proac D18s was that human voices were all grainy and unconvincing, with the X3s the texture is all there, but with enough weight and warmth to sound organic. And thank god for that. The intimate vocals on Agnes Obel's Aventine album remain as up close and personal as ever, but sooo much sweeter and convincing than what I endured with the D18s. I love that album, and it's been a joy to listen to it (several times) without being annoyed by the system distracting from the music.


I've played so much different music though these speakers in the last week, it's hard to really recall what was going on. All I know for sure is that I really enjoyed it, and I'm not alone (no I'm not talking about the neighbours, though they will have their opinion). I think the secret is the mid-range excellence that the Kudos X3s deliver, along with deep agile low frequencies that know their place, and a genuinely sweet and expressive top end, and more importantly the even balance that makes such words unimportant. Listening to Tori Amos Live in Montreux 1992 delivered a timely and welcome reminder that a Steinway Concert Grand does actually have keys in the middle. Who'd have thought?


It's difficult, but I can just about imagine some finding the X3s a little too polite and soft for heavy-ish rock music. Play top quality recordings such as Nirvana - Nevermind, Rage Against the Machine - ditto, Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf, and you'll be rewarded with remarkable insight and detail, but drums sometimes sound a little less forward in the mix than with D18s for example; they're still very (very) much there, as is so much more, but they don't smack quite as hard. Distorting guitars have a slightly softened edge to them, and that sits fine with me, but I suspect some may not approve. That's being mega-picky though as the overall effect is fantastic, and had I not owned the D18s for comparison I doubt I would have picked any of this out, but it is true. Less well recorded /mixed material won't be flattered. The X3's honesty does extend to showing up bad recordings, they won't render them unbearable generally, but won't attempt to hide the flaws either. If the recording is thin and top / bottom biased, don't expect the Kudos X3s to fill anything in.


Am I buying them? Well, on Thursday, much as I loved them, I wasn't sure. My tiny brain was still wondering whether there could be anything better out there for similar money. When Friday came it was time to take them back to Signals, and then a moment of clarity occurred. The simple fact was I really didn't want to give them back, and the idea of being without them was unpleasant. Instead of packing them up, I rang Signals and expressed my unwillingness to give them back, and explained that I wanted my own pair. Bless them, they set about getting me some as soon as possible, and said I could keep the demo ones until mine arrived. A relief, and another dose of uncommon customer service that has made typing this much more enjoyable.

So, it's all good.

Posted on: 17 June 2017 by rhom

I think you need to be clearer - were they actually any good? 

Posted on: 17 June 2017 by SongStream
richardhomer posted:

I think you need to be clearer - were they actually any good? 

They're ok.

Posted on: 17 June 2017 by leni v

What about classic music.large scale orchesral and chorus,strings,piano,human parts.tori amos is not enough to understand a speaker.

Posted on: 17 June 2017 by Johnell

What's the rest of your system?  There's nothing (at the moment) in your profile.

Posted on: 17 June 2017 by joerand

SongStream,

I can appreciate your post because you found a speaker good enough to buy while acknowledging some shortcomings. Everything is a compromise in music replay and you seem to have accepted that for the overall output. Musicality is the big factor for me. There is no perfect speaker or prefect system out there and you can't demo everything available, so finding a happy level of synergy is really all that can be expected.

Not willing to let a piece of gear leave your room - that's the ultimate measure to me. Happy listening!

Posted on: 18 June 2017 by Stephen Tate

Hi,

Those Kudos X3 speakers sound like they're really doing the business for you there SONGSTREAM. It's great when one can really experience that sense of fun and excitement when listening to all their favourite tunes. I agree with what others have written here, all speakers have their compromises and it's finding that correct balance and tone that suits one's ears and system that can really bring long term satisfaction. After all, this hobby of ours isn't exactly inexpensive and getting things right (regardless of hierarchy) is so important !

Happy listening!

Posted on: 18 June 2017 by SongStream
Johnell posted:

What's the rest of your system?  There's nothing (at the moment) in your profile.

Good point.  System is

Dedicated Music PC - DAC-V1 - Supernait 2 - NACA5 - Kudos X3s  

Posted on: 18 June 2017 by SongStream
joerand posted:

SongStream,

I can appreciate your post because you found a speaker good enough to buy while acknowledging some shortcomings. Everything is a compromise in music replay and you seem to have accepted that for the overall output. Musicality is the big factor for me. There is no perfect speaker or prefect system out there and you can't demo everything available, so finding a happy level of synergy is really all that can be expected.

Not willing to let a piece of gear leave your room - that's the ultimate measure to me. Happy listening!

Thanks.  And you're quite right.  From my own perspective the drum and edgy thing mentioned is little more than an observation, but if really in-your-face snappy drums was my thing, Proac D18s do that pretty well, it's just everything else that sounds awful.  In terms of which speaker I would prefer to live with for heavy-rock right through to mellow acoustic Jazz, it's an absolute no brainer for me.

In just over a week, not once have I listened to an album, or track, of any genre and thought 'Hmm, I preferred the Proacs for that one'.  Not only that, but for the most part I wasn't thinking about speakers at all when listening, another sign that everything is working very well.   

As you say no speaker is perfect, but for my own tastes the Kudos X3s are remarkably close.  I think they are exceptionally good.  

Posted on: 18 June 2017 by SongStream
Stephen Tate posted:

Hi,

Those Kudos X3 speakers sound like they're really doing the business for you there SONGSTREAM. It's great when one can really experience that sense of fun and excitement when listening to all their favourite tunes. I agree with what others have written here, all speakers have their compromises and it's finding that correct balance and tone that suits one's ears and system that can really bring long term satisfaction. After all, this hobby of ours isn't exactly inexpensive and getting things right (regardless of hierarchy) is so important !

Happy listening!

Thanks. ;-)  Yes, they certainly are doing the business.  It's been wonderful listening to a lot of my favourite stuff without the system grating on me again, that on it's own would be a big step forward, but add in the incredible level of detail and insight I am hearing in the music, and there is a recipe for big smiles.  I had a year with a system that sounded like a pretty good stereo, but now it sounds like actual stuff, flesh and blood, and I can just lose myself in the music so easily, and that is what you get from an exceptionally good stereo I think.  And one thing all this has proved again is that synergy with both ears and electronics is so so much more important than price tags.  

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by DomTomLondon

Thanks for that interesting post songstress. I'm thinking of getting a pair of the smaller Kudos, the X2s. And will be testing them against my LS50s, to see if they add anything more.  Will be testing them with a SuperUniti and Uniti Atom (if it ever becomes available)

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by alan33

I agree with DomTom - very nice thread and useful insights into your thinking and experiences. Thanks!

 I'm also interested in X2's; they were near top of my list with the Qute three or four years ago, but went with Tannoy Precision 6.2's at that time. The recent acquisition of (used) Kudos S10's for use with the SU has been a very happy move so far (even inviting demos of new cables), so I know I like that combo of "house sounds". A recent re-listen to the X2's driven by Qute at dealer didn't win me over. That room is not as lively as mine, but the Qute driving the S10's was also underwhelming - so I'm now wondering if it simply lacks the power / grip (?) here as well. The extra and improved watts from the Atom hold a great deal of appeal chez moi, as this target system is something I really want to like (and it's so "almost there" already...) 

Sorry if this constitutes a hijack of the thread...but in spirit I feel like Songstream's journey is quite closely reflective of my own. Plus I like the way you told it!

Regards alan

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by SongStream
DomTomLondon posted:

Thanks for that interesting post songstress. I'm thinking of getting a pair of the smaller Kudos, the X2s. And will be testing them against my LS50s, to see if they add anything more.  Will be testing them with a SuperUniti and Uniti Atom (if it ever becomes available)

Thanks, and good luck finding a speaker to deliver even more musical enjoyment.  I've not heard the X2s, or any other Kudos speaker at this time, but they are a brand that's made a very positive impression over the last couple of weeks.  

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by SongStream
alan33 posted:

I agree with DomTom - very nice thread and useful insights into your thinking and experiences. Thanks!

 I'm also interested in X2's; they were near top of my list with the Qute three or four years ago, but went with Tannoy Precision 6.2's at that time. The recent acquisition of (used) Kudos S10's for use with the SU has been a very happy move so far (even inviting demos of new cables), so I know I like that combo of "house sounds". A recent re-listen to the X2's driven by Qute at dealer didn't win me over. That room is not as lively as mine, but the Qute driving the S10's was also underwhelming - so I'm now wondering if it simply lacks the power / grip (?) here as well. The extra and improved watts from the Atom hold a great deal of appeal chez moi, as this target system is something I really want to like (and it's so "almost there" already...) 

Sorry if this constitutes a hijack of the thread...but in spirit I feel like Songstream's journey is quite closely reflective of my own. Plus I like the way you told it!

Regards alan

Thanks, glad you found it useful.  I enjoyed telling the story, but ultimately there's little point unless others find it helpful, or at least interesting; it's nice to know when people do.  

Cheers.

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by Arnsider

I have X2's and did a demo against X3's just after they were released. I plumped for the X2's as to me they were just more coherently musical and balanced. It is possible that the X3's I heard were not fully run in... but you certainly won't go too far wrong with either. Kudos and Naim do work well together (don't tell Linn that though...!) 

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by David Stewart

Songstream, FWIW (a late contribution to your thread!). I bought a pair of X3s last year with a new Superuniti, after auditioning them against PMC23, Focal Aria 926 and Rega RX3. The X3s just bettered the Arias and to my ears were more revealing and coherent than either the PMC23 or RX3. After a good long burn-in period (with NACA5) they dont disappoint! I tried other cables including Odyssey, Atlas Hyper 2 and Tellurium Blue & Black. Only Tellurium Black equalled or perhaps slightly bettered the A5, but my judgment was it didn't warrant the increased cost. The X3s are as you said very revealing, perhaps a little too much so on poorly recorded material with which they are not very forgiving.

David S 

 

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by SongStream
David Stewart posted:

Songstream, FWIW (a late contribution to your thread!). I bought a pair of X3s last year with a new Superuniti, after auditioning them against PMC23, Focal Aria 926 and Rega RX3. The X3s just bettered the Arias and to my ears were more revealing and coherent than either the PMC23 or RX3. After a good long burn-in period (with NACA5) they dont disappoint! I tried other cables including Odyssey, Atlas Hyper 2 and Tellurium Blue & Black. Only Tellurium Black equalled or perhaps slightly bettered the A5, but my judgment was it didn't warrant the increased cost. The X3s are as you said very revealing, perhaps a little too much so on poorly recorded material with which they are not very forgiving.

David S 

 

Yes, those Aria 926s are very good, but likewise I felt the X3s were even better overall; in a modest sized room anyway.  I can live with a speaker / system that reveals shortcomings in a bad recording, but less so with a speaker that has notable shortcomings with good a recording.   Hence, here we are.  :-)

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by SongStream

My own pair of X3s arrived today.  What should have been my own pair arrived on Wednesday evening, but unfortunately one them had a dead tweeter.  Credit once again to Signals, they were back the following morning and delivered me the demo ones back, and took away the faulty pair.  From an update on Thursday morning, it seemed it would be next week before a replacement pair arrived, so I planned to unpack the demo pair and use for weekend, but then a further update revealed I should have a replacement pair, well, today obviously.  

Taking no chances, Andy from Signals was keen to make sure they were functioning perfectly before he left the house, and happily they were.  Even dumped pretty randomly on the floor, with no spikes attached, and not run-in, these speakers still sound pretty damn good.  

Now there is just he run in to do, and position correctly, but to be honest, they already sound good enough to be thoroughly enjoyable.  Which at least will make the process more fun. 

 

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by J.N.

Good to hear that SS. The Bucklesham Boys (as was!) do the business with aplomb, again.

And it's nice to hear a report of a new bit of kit sounding good and providing pleasure, right off the bat - as it should do. What follows is icing on the cake. I didn't go in for any accelerated run-in strategy with my Kudos loudspeakers from new. I just played music, as and when wanted, and enjoyed the ride.

I did get around to gently/carefully nipping up the drive unit bolts after about three years.

I'm looking forward to the Kudos Road Show at Signals on 6th July. Perhaps I'll see you there?

Enjoy.

John.

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by SongStream
J.N. posted:

Good to hear that SS. The Bucklesham Boys (as was!) do the business with aplomb, again.

And it's nice to hear a report of a new bit of kit sounding good and providing pleasure, right off the bat - as it should do. What follows is icing on the cake. I didn't go in for any accelerated run-in strategy with my Kudos loudspeakers from new. I just played music, as and when wanted, and enjoyed the ride.

I did get around to gently/carefully nipping up the drive unit bolts after about three years.

I'm looking forward to the Kudos Road Show at Signals on 6th July. Perhaps I'll see you there?

Enjoy.

John.

I'm not planning on any weird run-in methods either, they're delivering Fawlty Towers at the moment.  Hmmm, perhaps that is weird.  Anyway, they're delivering it perfectly well; the bell on the reception counter is very convincing. 

Alistair mentioned the Kudos event when I was last there, and hopefully I will be able to attend.  If all goes to plan I'll probably see you there.  

Cheers

 

Posted on: 23 June 2017 by djh1697

Kudos (Derek G) designs some excellent speakers! I hope you have your music backed up, with offsite storage. Nothing worse than a hard disk failure! I have an offsite USB/SSD drive backup, as well as a Vortexbox and NAS backup on site. I have acquired an xiva musicm8, it needs a hard drive, and software installing, i am not sure if i will keep it, or put it on ebay when i have finished. I have a UnitiQte, but have acquired some Simpleaudio roomplayers, I am quite pleased with the sound, but need a PC to control them

Posted on: 24 June 2017 by SongStream

Time to wrap this little story up.  Having spiked and positioned the X3s properly last night, and with a few hours of music and TV on them, they are performing brilliantly and just as I hoped.  There is a sense of relief in knowing they are wonderful, and this time they're mine. Hands off everybody!!  This was a good decision.  

Thanks to Andy and Alastair for leading me to them, and all the help and running back and fourth (I think Andy could drive to my house blindfolded now).  I've certainly had plenty of practice at lugging around, packing-up and unpacking compact floorstanders in the last couple of weeks, and it's not even over, there are still two pairs to get rid of.  Still, it's been worth it.