HDX backup.

I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking here, are you saying you want an additional backup as well as the NAS? If so, the answer is yes, you can just use a USB hard drive to back up from the NAS, rather than the HDX internal drive. How exactly you do this will depend on the NAS you're using.

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

The idea is that music will be ripped to the first of the new drives, and backed up to the second one.

What I'd like to do is, in addition, add any new rips to the existing ones on the NAS, simply as a second back up of everything.

I'm guessing that I'll be able to do this manually, simply copying them across via my MacBook, but wondered if there was any way of configuring things on the HDX so that it would automatically save an "extra" copy to the NAS, as well as the prime copy to the second HDX internal drive.

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS.

That's how I ran my HDX, 2TB internal drive backing up to a Synology 115j, then periodic copying from the 115j to a USB attached hard drive which I kept offsite.

The HDX has a 'back up to external NAS' program if I recall. I used it when I sold mine to move music to my Networked NAS which served the new NDS. It all worked very well-although I had lots of stored music and it does take a while I found you could interrupt it  and it would resume fine. I decided this was simpler than saving the HDX as a CD ripper only.

I think details are in the HDX instruction manual.

My networked NAS has 2 drives making continuous back ups etc

Bruce

dave marshall posted:

The idea is that music will be ripped to the first of the new drives, and backed up to the second one.

What I'd like to do is, in addition, add any new rips to the existing ones on the NAS, simply as a second back up of everything.

I'm guessing that I'll be able to do this manually, simply copying them across via my MacBook, but wondered if there was any way of configuring things on the HDX so that it would automatically save an "extra" copy to the NAS, as well as the prime copy to the second HDX internal drive.

I don't think you can upgrade the 2 400GB drives to 2TB, I think you get a single 2TB drive.

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

Chris, the new setup will consist of 2 X 2Gb internal drives, but I can't elaborate further on this, otherwise I'll be on thin ice, as far as forum rules are concerned. 

Ahah! In that case I don't know.

I don't think you can still have 2 drives fitted to an HDX? As per my second post above, the automated backup to a separate NAS just happens, no need to do anything manually.

dave marshall posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

Chris, the new setup will consist of 2 X 2Gb internal drives, but I can't elaborate further on this, otherwise I'll be on thin ice, as far as forum rules are concerned. 

I see! I guess you'll just have to try it out for yourself then, I have no idea how the Naim software will cope with what you're going to do. Good luck!!

ChrisSU posted:

dave marshall posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

Chris, the new setup will consist of 2 X 2Gb internal drives, but I can't elaborate further on this, otherwise I'll be on thin ice, as far as forum rules are concerned. 

I see! I guess you'll just have to try it out for yourself then, I have no idea how the Naim software will cope with what you're going to do. Good luck!!

Hopefully, not "The Sound of Silence" ...................... fingers crossed. 

My HDX has internal drive (or drives?) which is where my music is stored.

I have 3 NAS drives in various locations around the house, including one in the garage, slightly remote from the house.
The HDX is configured to automatically back-up or copy my rips onto these NAS drives. If I later add a new ripped CD, it is incrementally backed up to these drives, so I never have to think about doing anything.

I do however periodically check that the NAS drives are still working correctly, just in case...

blythe posted:

My HDX has internal drive (or drives?) which is where my music is stored.

I have 3 NAS drives in various locations around the house, including one in the garage, slightly remote from the house.
The HDX is configured to automatically back-up or copy my rips onto these NAS drives. If I later add a new ripped CD, it is incrementally backed up to these drives, so I never have to think about doing anything.

I do however periodically check that the NAS drives are still working correctly, just in case...

Hi Blythe,

This is exactly what I have in mind, once my reconfigured HDX is back in use.

It will automatically perform a back up to the second internal drive, but I'm looking to do as you do, and obtain a further back up to my existing NAS.

I'm guessing that the ability to do this is buried somewhere within device settings on the HDX, but since it's away at the mo' that's all I'm doing ........ guessing.

If you could point me in the right direction as to how you achieved this, I'd be most grateful,

Thanks,

Dave.

dave marshall posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

Chris, the new setup will consist of 2 X 2Gb internal drives, but I can't elaborate further on this, otherwise I'll be on thin ice, as far as forum rules are concerned. 

Hi,

If you have us update a 2x400 or 2x500GByte HDX to 2TB you will get a 1x2TB unit - there has never been a 2x2TB HDX ... I'm not sure what you're referring to about 2 x 2Gb internal drives (2Gb is even smaller than the SSD drives we use in the SSD variants) or why you would be on thin ice as far as forum rules are concerned unless you're suggesting modifying units which is obviously a no-no on here.

By default the original twin drive HDXs back up to the second internal drive but you can use the backup functionality to back up to an external drive instead if you wish which you could then restore once you had your unit updated.

Cheers

Phil

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

David Hendon posted:

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

David - The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. It looks like he then wants to use one internal drive in the HDX as the main store, backup to the 2nd internal drive and then for good measure back this up to the NAS. (I think ) 

james n posted:

David Hendon posted:

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

David - The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. It looks like he then wants to use one internal drive in the HDX as the main store, backup to the 2nd internal drive and then for good measure back this up to the NAS. (I think ) 

James ........... that's it exactly .............. sorry if I was less than clear in my original post, and the typo of "Gb" when I  meant "Tb" probably didn't help much either. ( and trying to stay within forum rules, at the same time).

So, really, all I'm after is how to automate this second back to the NAS. 

So I did misread what Dave was asking, but anyway Bruce's answer about the HDX being able to incrementally backup to a NAS automatically is right. 

best

David

Looking at the desktop client for my single disk HDX, I seem to be able to add multiple backup jobs, so I guess you might be able to use the autobackup internally and set up a job to backup to the NAS as well.

Thanks chaps for all your replies thus far.

It does seem as if I will be able to achieve a second back up to the NAS after all, and I'll investigate this once I have the HDX back in service.

It's quite difficult to visualise the theory of this, with the HDX awol at the mo', but I'm sure the manual will reveal all when the time comes.

james n posted:

David Hendon posted:

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. 

Hi,

As there has never been a 2 x 2TB HDX then if that is the case it won't be being updated to 2 x 2TB by us and hence would fall foul of the modification rule.

If it is being updated to a 1 x 2TB by us then its fine.

Best

Phil

dave marshall posted:

Thanks chaps for all your replies thus far.

It does seem as if I will be able to achieve a second back up to the NAS after all, and I'll investigate this once I have the HDX back in service.

It's quite difficult to visualise the theory of this, with the HDX awol at the mo', but I'm sure the manual will reveal all when the time comes.

I'm still confused about what you want to do! So you are going to store your music inside the HDX and back up to a NAS and you want to further back up to another NAS or another drive in the same NAS?

As I said before, if you have two drives in a NAS then you can have the NAS do the backup from the first to the second automatically (eg by using RAID). I suspect that you can also get your NAS to automatically backup to a second NAS, but how you do that would depend on the NAS software. 

Best

David

dave marshall posted:

Thanks chaps for all your replies thus far.

It does seem as if I will be able to achieve a second back up to the NAS after all, and I'll investigate this once I have the HDX back in service.

It's quite difficult to visualise the theory of this, with the HDX awol at the mo', but I'm sure the manual will reveal all when the time comes.

Hi,

Yes, as I wrote above...

"By default the original twin drive HDXs back up to the second internal drive but you can use the backup functionality to back up to an external" <NAS> "drive instead if you wish which you could then restore once you had your unit updated."

If the unit comes back to us to be updated then we would also transfer the music over to the new drives for you if that was requested...

Cheers

Phil

dave marshall posted:

james n posted:

David Hendon posted:

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

David - The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. It looks like he then wants to use one internal drive in the HDX as the main store, backup to the 2nd internal drive and then for good measure back this up to the NAS. (I think ) 

James ........... that's it exactly .............. sorry if I was less than clear in my original post, and the typo of "Gb" when I  meant "Tb" probably didn't help much either. ( and trying to stay within forum rules, at the same time).

So, really, all I'm after is how to automate this second back to the NAS. 

It's part of the standard functionality of Naim servers that they have an automatic backup to a separate NAS. The only thing you need to worry about is weather this function survives your 'upgrade'.

Phil Harris posted:

james n posted:

David Hendon posted:

Reading the thread for the first time, I think everyone is misreading what Dave Marshall is saying in his original post. I think he is saying that he is using his HDX as a ripper and storing the music on a NAS that has two 400 MB drives and which he wants to upgrade to two larger drives. Then he wants to put all of his music on one of those drives and have it backup automatically to the second one. I think he is asking whether if the HDX rips new albums to the first, he can automate the addition of those rips to his backup drive.

The answer is yes, but it's done by using the RAID capabilities in the NAS not by setup in the HDX.

I don't think he is talking about upgrading the internal drive in his HDX which is what most of the replies addressed!

But maybe it's me that misunderstands.

best

David

The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. 

Hi,

As there has never been a 2 x 2TB HDX then if that is the case it won't be being updated to 2 x 2TB by us and hence would fall foul of the modification rule.

If it is being updated to a 1 x 2TB by us then its fine.

Best

Phil

Yes Phil - understood. I was just clarifying the original post as we were drifting into different interpretations. To be fair, Dave did say further up about new twin drives and forum rules so i think we are all clear on that aspect