HDX backup.

David Hendon posted:

dave marshall posted:

Thanks chaps for all your replies thus far.

It does seem as if I will be able to achieve a second back up to the NAS after all, and I'll investigate this once I have the HDX back in service.

It's quite difficult to visualise the theory of this, with the HDX awol at the mo', but I'm sure the manual will reveal all when the time comes.

I'm still confused about what you want to do! So you are going to store your music inside the HDX and back up to a NAS and you want to further back up to another NAS or another drive in the same NAS?

As I said before, if you have two drives in a NAS then you can have the NAS do the backup from the first to the second automatically (eg by using RAID). I suspect that you can also get your NAS to automatically backup to a second NAS, but how you do that would depend on the NAS software. 

Best

David

Hi David,

These quotes summarise what I'm after, which is to secure a second back up to an external NAS.

james n posted:

"David - The original HDX has / had 2 x 400Gb drives. Dave is upgrading those to the 2x 2Tb. It looks like he then wants to use one internal drive in the HDX as the main store, backup to the 2nd internal drive and then for good measure back this up to the NAS. (I think)."

"James ........... that's it exactly .............. sorry if I was less than clear in my original post, and the typo of "Gb" when I meant "Tb" probably didn't help much either. ( and trying to stay within forum rules, at the same time).

So, really, all I'm after is how to automate this second back to the NAS."

It does seem that this ought to be possible, from the replies received so far ................ but any discussion as to the planned upgrade of the HDX most certainly breaks forum rules, which I've tried to avoid by limiting things to the procedure involved in achieving this extra backup.

Thanks Dave. I didn't get the bit about two 2TB drives but I do now. I will leave the thread to others. Hope it goes well anyway.

best

David

dave marshall posted:

It does seem as if I will be able to achieve a second back up to the NAS after all, and I'll investigate this once I have the HDX back in service.

My guess is that you are trying to avoid the high cost of disc replacement/service by Naim. An alternative way to do this would be continue using an external NAS for storage, as you can then back this up to one or more relatively inexpensive USB hard drives. The cost of disc failure then remains low, weather it's the NAS or USB drive that fails at any point in the future.

It does seem intuitively right to me to use the internal storage rather than just leaving it unused, but then you lack the flexibility to do the above, which is probably a cheap, easy DIY fix.

Phil Harris posted:

dave marshall posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Just re-reading your post, the current 2TB internal drive is a single one, so your backup will have to be to an external NAS. Once the initial backup is done, an automatic incremental backup happens every night to the NAS.

Chris, the new setup will consist of 2 X 2Gb internal drives, but I can't elaborate further on this, otherwise I'll be on thin ice, as far as forum rules are concerned. 

Hi,

If you have us update a 2x400 or 2x500GByte HDX to 2TB you will get a 1x2TB unit - there has never been a 2x2TB HDX ... I'm not sure what you're referring to about 2 x 2Gb internal drives (2Gb is even smaller than the SSD drives we use in the SSD variants) or why you would be on thin ice as far as forum rules are concerned unless you're suggesting modifying units which is obviously a no-no on here.

By default the original twin drive HDXs back up to the second internal drive but you can use the backup functionality to back up to an external drive instead if you wish which you could then restore once you had your unit updated.

Cheers

Phil

This query may be borne out of a recent listing I noticed on flea bay, where some one is offering a service to carry out such drive upgrades on the HDX, which is outside the Naim service, but might tempt some people, but I think it would risk serious issues later in the HDX life with Naim dealership.

Cbr600 posted:

This query may be borne out of a recent listing I noticed on flea bay, where some one is offering a service to carry out such drive upgrades on the HDX, which is outside the Naim service, but might tempt some people, but I think it would risk serious issues later in the HDX life with Naim dealership.

Hi,

Yes, in that case that HDX would no longer be supportable by us as we have not done a 2 x 2TB HDX and have not built support for it into the HDX software.

Cheers

Phil

I am a little confused. See the following from my ns01 System status from the DTC:

(Local Audio) [Online]
Total Size
1,867,728 MB
Value: 1,867,728 MB
Space Free
1,559,379 MB
Value: 1,559,379 MB
CD Quality Albums
1020
Value: 1020
CD Quality Tracks
12188
Value: 12188
Low Quality Albums
41
Value: 41
Low Quality Tracks
605
Value: 605
Albums in Recycle Bin
1
Value: 1
Tracks in Recycle Bin
11
Value: 11
CT-DUO\\backup [Online]
Total Size
2,835,411 MB
Value: 2,835,411 MB
Space Free
2,328,425 MB
Value: 2,328,425 MB
(Local Backup) [Online]
Total Size
1,907,718 MB
Value: 1,907,718 MB

I cannot read this in any other way than there is a 2 tb local backup in the unit. This was originally the 1 tb unit, so that may explain it? or that the hdx is diferent from the ns0X models.

Claus

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

I am a little confused. See the following from my ns01 System status from the DTC:

(Local Audio) [Online]
Total Size
1,867,728 MB
Value: 1,867,728 MB
Space Free
1,559,379 MB
Value: 1,559,379 MB
CD Quality Albums
1020
Value: 1020
CD Quality Tracks
12188
Value: 12188
Low Quality Albums
41
Value: 41
Low Quality Tracks
605
Value: 605
Albums in Recycle Bin
1
Value: 1
Tracks in Recycle Bin
11
Value: 11
CT-DUO\\backup [Online]
Total Size
2,835,411 MB
Value: 2,835,411 MB
Space Free
2,328,425 MB
Value: 2,328,425 MB
(Local Backup) [Online]
Total Size
1,907,718 MB
Value: 1,907,718 MB

 

I cannot read this in any other way than there is a 2 tb local backup in the unit. This was originally the 1 tb unit, so that may explain it? or that the hdx is diferent from the ns0X models.

Claus

Hi Claus,

The NS0x servers retained the dual drive layout even as 1TB and 2TB units and had internal backup ... the HDX and UnitiServe 1TB and 2TB units were all single drive with no internal backup.

Cheers

Phil

Sorry to post this here as a whole new thread would perhaps not be worthwhile.

Can your use the current version Apple Airport Time Capsule as a NAS to the HDX for back up only purposes ?

I will be using a router to/from the HDX via a Gigabit Ethernet cable connection then to the Apple device via another Gigabit Ethernet cable.

crackie posted:

Sorry to post this here as a whole new thread would perhaps not be worthwhile.

Can your use the current version Apple Airport Time Capsule as a NAS to the HDX for back up only purposes ?

I will be using a router to/from the HDX via a Gigabit Ethernet cable connection then to the Apple device via another Gigabit Ethernet cable.

You can't use a Time Capsule, you need a proper NAS.

Righto, thank you. 

crackie posted:

Sorry to post this here as a whole new thread would perhaps not be worthwhile.

Can your use the current version Apple Airport Time Capsule as a NAS to the HDX for back up only purposes ?

I will be using a router to/from the HDX via a Gigabit Ethernet cable connection then to the Apple device via another Gigabit Ethernet cable.

The Time Capsule shares a single folder on the network and everything you want to store has to go in that folder ... for a backup location the HDX expects to have sole access to the folder being used for backup and if there are other files in there then it will not allow the folder to be specified as a backup location so you want to be using a proper NAS for that functionality and then you can set up a specific "Naim_Backups" folder for use solely for backing up your HDX.

Most decent NASs nowadays offer Time Capsule functionality anyway and so can also give you your rolling Mac backups as well.

Best

Phil

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