Vertere Hand Built Mains Cable

At £2,000 they ought to be good. It's worth asking the obvious question of whether you already have dedicated mains, which will make more of a difference than fancy wires. If so, it's worth asking whether a £2,000 mains wire is appropriate when you have £3,000 speakers on the end of your very nice system. If I point out that the Naim Powerline is also hand built, does that increase its appeal?

You are right HH, I don't have dedicated mains, and would be considerably less expensive.... 

and yes you are right about the speakers, they are good, but not in the league of the Confidence range from Dynaudio.

Get on the phone to your electrician then. A wise man builds his house on rock, not sand. 

+1 for dedicated mains.

2k for a mains cable? And I thought the powerline was expensive. 

You cant make these prices up   

Well at least its handmade  .......

Love to no the material cost of it....£100 ?

Drewy posted:

2k for a mains cable? And I thought the powerline was expensive. 

The weakest link of the TT is the Arm, then once that Addressed, the the Cable, etc.....

TT 50K

TT Cable 1.5K

And this is just the source, I quite sure whoever invest in this level of gear has addressed the dedicated mains associated in his 500K Hi Fi System!

Just saying!

Allante93!

PS. Not to mention his Boat, House, or Auto!

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

analogmusic posted:

Has anyone heard this cable on Naim equipment?

It is pretty expensive, but every single Vertere cable I've heard has always been superb. Curious about this one.

Nope, I have a dedicated mains instal, a much bigger improvement at a fraction of the cost.

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

The power line to me is fantastic at 500 GBP.

Chord Sarum Mains cables are also close to 2000 GBP price range, and according to those who have heard it, it is well worth the money.

analogmusic posted:

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

The power line to me is fantastic at 500 GBP.

Chord Sarum Mains cables are also close to 2000 GBP price range, and according to those who have heard it, it is well worth the money.

i personnaly prefer my kharma matrix power cords( 350 GBP) over power lines that i sold. I found them a bit edgy.  If i upgrade one day, i will be tempted by chord sarum or better kharma....

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

It is  £560, not  £500. 

ryder. posted:

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

It is  £560, not  £500. 

Ok thanks. My bad

Polarbear posted:

analogmusic posted:

Has anyone heard this cable on Naim equipment?

It is pretty expensive, but every single Vertere cable I've heard has always been superb. Curious about this one.

Nope, I have a dedicated mains instal, a much bigger improvement at a fraction of the cost.

So in the same sentence you're saying no, you haven't tried the power cable in question, but your dedicated mains is a much bigger improvement?

If a person doesn't have mains supply issues at their home a dedicated circuit could be a more frivolous expense than a power cable. If they don't work out for the better power cables have resale value whereas a dedicated circuit has none.

I think most all audiophile power cables are hand-built aren't they? As for the Powerline, I've had several and enjoyed them in due time. Ultimately I found a $130 power cable far superior for dynamics on my Naim gear. Plus, the cheaper cable was available in various lengths, 1-meter easier for dressing.

Mains cables can dramatically alter the sound of gear. I'm of the opinion that you don't necessarily have to spend a lot on mains cables to garner improvement, just be willing to accept some trial and error. I wouldn't flirt with a £2K mains cable. I'd look to spend that kind of money elsewhere in the system.

For £2K worth of a mains cable, you might want to look at replacing the NACA5 with a pair of Super Lumina speaker cables and see if the improvements are more tangible. Personally I wouldn't spend more than a Powerline for a mains cable.

ryder. posted:

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

It is  £560, not  £500. 

£500 -> £560   =  +12%
£500 -> 2,000   =  +300%

In the circumstance of a 300% difference, I think we can forgive a 12% error; the principle still stands!

Huge posted:

£500 -> £560   =  +12%
£500 -> 2,000   =  +300%

In the circumstance of a 300% difference, I think we can forgive a 12% error; the principle still stands!

That's true!

If you pay 560 for a 3-7k £ component there will be somebody to pay 2000£ for a 15-50k £ component for sure...

Minimal increase in performance ıf any, feel good and privileged factor max

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

How do you know without having heard it?

Claus

Emre posted:

If you pay 560 for a 3-7k £ component there will be somebody to pay 2000£ for a 15-50k £ component for sure...

Minimal increase in performance ıf any, feel good and privileged factor max

 

Very good point, Emre:

"For those familiar with Vertere’s infamous line of products this is big news. The company has developed a reputation for crafting the most technically precise analog replay components in the world. As a result the price is often beyond the reach of even the most dedicated audiophiles. To give an idea, Robb Report recently ran an article called: “Today’s Top Tonearms Can Cost as Much as a Car.” The main feature was the Vertere Reference Tonearm coming in at $36,000 USD."

Average Joe, a Success Story:

House, a Cool $ 1.5 Million. i.e cheapskate!

Car, a modest 350K USD

Veretere's mains Cable, $3,127.96 USD

When it's all said and done, I wonder how it sounds!

Sure wouldn't mind trading places!

Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

Drewy posted:

But it's a mains cable. Surely no mains cable is going to give 2k worth of improvement. The powerline creates enough debate at £500. 

How do you know without having heard it?

Claus

Never heard a mains cable to be honest. Have you? I don't think you have. Think about it. 

I have, it was powering a small pottery oven, I think it was in the 10's of kW - it buzzed slightly.