Digital camera frustration

Posted by: EJS on 20 June 2017

I grew up with Leica Ms, sold them when I eventually had the choice between having to wait four weeks for sloppily processed slides, or an M8 that was frustratingly idiosyncratic. Since that time, I went through a number of systems: Nikon, Sony, and currently Olympus. They do the job increasingly well, but I'm finding myself more and more disconnected with the act of taking pictures. Although I do rather like the new Fujis and the Oly EM1ii - there is a sense of character - they are cheapened by the ridiculous number of gimmicks and options. The new Sony A9 is a lowpoint. Technically impressive but so bland... an iPhone camera on steroids.

I've had these feelings for a while (and the A9 test really didn't help) - but earlier this evening, realisation dawned: this is my mind, hard at work convincing the rest of me of the business case for a new Leica M10, despite its ridiculous price and out of date sensor spec. I'm really glad I figured this out in time - buying another camera is hardly a long term solution, it will likely have its own share of frustrations, and digital Ms are nowadays best known for one characteristic above all: they all go back to Solms.

I'm liberated - now where to find one...

cheers,

EJ

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by charlesphoto

 I would start with the most expensive one you can find. 

 

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by charlesphoto
GraemeH posted:

Inkier blacks surely!

G

I actually think the M9 has the inkiest blacks but at the expense of a less wide image stage. Ymmv of course depending on your set up. 

 

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by IWC Doppel

I went from M8 to M9-P and MM, I wasn't tempted by the M240 but would love an M10... However My M9 is perfect and travels with me every day, even if it never ventures out of my shoulder bag. I love using it and for an amateur its all I need for a good few years, all the lenses I own were bought secondhand and are worth as much or more than I paid, I have been able to try and sell on a number of lenses and apart from the occasional iPhone picture its my only camera. Buy the M10 and enjoy it. After about 25,000 shots with my M9-P my sensor was changed when a sign of sensor corrosion occurred. My 5 year old camera came back serviced, new leather and sensor replaced for free apart from a £40 surcharge for the leather upgrade I chose, that's proper customer case. 

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by Bananahead
IWC Doppel posted:

 that's proper customer care. 

No, it just shows that the servicing costs were built into the original purchase price.

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by charlesphoto

The M10 is the Hugo of digital cameras, albiet priced more like a DAVE. That said, I've never actually heard a Hugo....

 

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by Mr Fjeld
Bananahead posted:
IWC Doppel posted:

 that's proper customer care. 

No, it just shows that the servicing costs were built into the original purchase price.

Cynical but true. It still speaks well of Leica as there are plenty of reputable manufacturers out there not acknowledging such customer service. The service of Leica in Wetzlar is famous and rightly so.

Posted on: 26 June 2017 by charlesphoto

Actually US service in New Jersey was always more infamous but has gotten a lot better in recent years. 

Posted on: 27 June 2017 by Ardbeg10y
charlesphoto posted:

Plus I failed to mention that my five year old daughter's name is Leica. Really my wife's idea at first (predicated upon a joke while naming our son) but it combines my love of photography with her being from Germany. Most people just think it's a pretty name. And it is. 

Agree. Pretty name. I lost the battle with my wife to call my daughter Mercedes though.

However, even if I was Arab, I would never call my son 'Naim'.

Posted on: 27 June 2017 by IWC Doppel

I bought a 2011 camera secondhand in 2012, I have had no issues with it. When the sensor issues of delamination became evident the modal had already been replaced. They soon announced that a free replacement would be available for any cameras suffering. They said they would develop a permanent replacement do the sensor would not do the same again or offer good trade ins on replacements. Finally they did develop a replacement sensor and my camera was replaced for free and serviced. The delamination issue was some minor water like marks over corners of the image. Not visible on most shots. For me this is outstanding service. I have 8 chrome bumper 135's in another system. Great they are still serviceable I wouldn't expect the tants to get replaced for free, be nice if they were 

I love my nicely brassed M, it's a joy to use and operating a fully manual set up has enabled me to learn more about composure and taking better photographs more quickly than the latest spray n pray machine guns !

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by EJS

I started out with a Leicaflex SL, by then already a very old camera, but indestructible and with a huge viewfinder. Still have it. The 50 summicron-R is/was a great lens, which I continued to use on the R8. The R8 didn't work for me, it was flakey and unreliable, and made it easy for me to step sideways and adopt the Leica M system, two M6 non-TTLs and later, for a short while, the M8. The M8, first generation, I couldn't agree with - hollow and clunky compared to the film Ms, and needing IR filters to get the colour right. On all my Ms I became an expert at tuning the rangefinder mechanisms every so often. One M6 had a friday afternoon curtain that didn't reliably close at high shutter speeds. Two of my M lenses have spent time in the shop for repairs: a new summicron-m 50 suffered from internal bits breaking off, an elmar 90 kept losing its vulcanite cover. All in all, I have quite a history with Leica, love the craftsmanship, but the romance of the brand and the hyperbole have long since passed, replaced by a sense of caution for what I've learned are quite precious instruments. Then again, my dad is still shooting his m3 daily and never had an issue. 

EJ

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Eloise
Don Atkinson posted:

I use Sandisk Extreme Pro SD cards with 32Gb capacity in my Nikon D7200. I used to use Lexar but can't find them easily these days.

As an aside, Micron have announced in the last few days they are pulling out of the memory card market.  R.I.P. Lexar.

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Don Atkinson
Eloise posted:
Don Atkinson posted:

I use Sandisk Extreme Pro SD cards with 32Gb capacity in my Nikon D7200. I used to use Lexar but can't find them easily these days.

As an aside, Micron have announced in the last few days they are pulling out of the memory card market.  R.I.P. Lexar.

Thanks Eloise, explains a lot.

I ordered a couple of SanDisk SD cards from Amazon yesterday. I did notice they had Lexar equivalents but decided to stick with SanDisk.

I also have Lexar USB sticks. They have always been reliable. Hope these will continue to be available.

Cheers, Don

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Eloise
Don Atkinson posted:

 I also have Lexar USB sticks. They have always been reliable. Hope these will continue to be available.

I think the whole Lexar / Micron consumer divison is being shuttered.