TQ speaker cable question

Interesting development. Do keep us posted (if the thread remains intact).

Glad to hear the cables are starting to give good results. The TQs do take a ridiculously long time to burn in and the silvers versions even longer. I'm sure the Silver 2s will be an improvement on the silver 1s, but if they're a decent upgrade over any other cable in your system only you can decide. I'd keep the silvers running for a long as possible and then switch back to your naca5. It probably won't take long to decide which is better for you. 

CRACKIE, think my comments about 'another' brand derived from TQ might have been the issue, for this I apologise.

Sorry if this deletes your thread again. My system details are I'm my profile

As I understand it, just don't mention the name of the cable guy and all is fine.

In my opinion all of the TQ cables are exceptionally good, it's just from the Ultra Black's up, they need a considerable burn in time.

As SPACEY says other similar brands are available and worth exploring 

I'll certainly be adding another 100 or so hours on them and do the switch back and compare session. I suspect that as I also had my HDX back from repair at about the same time as I did my first switch comparison, I think this may have muddled my memory of the system. This is because I was using for 3 weeks a bluray player in place via the digital out into my n-DAC.

This just reinforces for me the digital out as a source debate. As it very clearly made a noticable difference, to my system anyway, and a cheap source even used a as "transport only" can be very noticeable in replay ( for the worse in my case ). 

No apologies necessary Spacey ( it could have even been me in the thread that slipped up ) I was just unaware of it and the thread very much appears to be gone now for me to check, even after a search of closed threads.

wenger2015 posted:

As I understand it, just don't mention the name of the cable guy and all is fine.

Their name, company or products should not be mentioned or discussed on here. Naim don't wish to get into any arguments on here with other manufacturers, so we're happy to comply.

Richard Dane posted:

wenger2015 posted:

As I understand it, just don't mention the name of the cable guy and all is fine.

Their name, company or products should not be mentioned or discussed on here. Naim don't wish to get into any arguments on here with other manufacturers, so we're happy to comply.

Thanks for the clarification 

Richard Dane posted:

wenger2015 posted:

As I understand it, just don't mention the name of the cable guy and all is fine.

Their name, company or products should not be mentioned or discussed on here. Naim don't wish to get into any arguments on here with other manufacturers, so we're happy to comply.

Does this also include TQ?

OK within moderators discretion.

Don't want to sound like I'm ruffling feathers or being an antagonist, but why can we mention TQ but not EXA?

Thank you Richard, I was completely unaware of this.

Anybody contemplating changing to these TQ cables from Naca5 should really read Martin Colloms reviews on speaker cables in the Hi- Fi Critic on line magazine and check out the ratings of these cables, it really is an eye opener. Or should I say, an ear opener!

I understand that you should only trust your own ears when buying these things, but since so much of this stuff is hyped on this forum by self proclaimed experts with golden ears, it's also important and informative to have opinions by professional reviewers who make a living at listening to more product, and comparing them to other products than members of this forum could ever hope to, and therefore can give what I feel are more genuine and honest recommendations.

I thought that I would update this thread.

The TQ Silver has gone, as it had a slight glare or sheen that I could not ignore - like an added "zip or freq. boost" if you like. I could see that in a system that lacked "sparkle" it might be a great upgrade. Not for me though.

Now running in a full set of TQ Ultra Black - got 150 hours on them. Much, much better than the TQ Silver2, as it should be for 2x the cost. Those that have the TQ UB am I almost there IRT burn in ? Quickly swapped back to the NACA5 and yes the TQ UB is better - but not night / day  better, which I find odd considering the price diff. One thing that does stand out is how good the NACA5 really is (especially for the money). I'll pump another 150 hours on it and see how it goes - looking really promising though.

Cheers, Peter

I am also of the camp where I never hear a night and day difference when it comes to cables, even the very expensive variety, I just don't hear it!!!

Anyway, this is my, and only my opinion, there is a cable I have heard lately that I honestly thought was an improvement over my Naca5, and my Chord, Atlas, Naim,  interconnect. It's from a company called Vovox, I also MUCH preferred them to the TQ cables I had auditioned by quite a lot. They are tremendous sounding cables for what it's worth! Their power cables are also very, very good. They definitely give the Powerlines something to be concerned about.

I have no association with this company, it was just a recommendation by a trusted friend who is kind of a Naim fanatic to check them out with Naim equipment, glad I did.

Cheers, I'll have a look at them as well. A chance to demo. may well be the issue though.............

badlands posted:

I am also of the camp where I never hear a night and day difference when it comes to cables, even the very expensive variety, I just don't hear it!!!

Anyway, this is my, and only my opinion, there is a cable I have heard lately that I honestly thought was an improvement over my Naca5, and my Chord, Atlas, Naim,  interconnect. It's from a company called Vovox, I also MUCH preferred them to the TQ cables I had auditioned by quite a lot. They are tremendous sounding cables for what it's worth! Their power cables are also very, very good. They definitely give the Powerlines something to be concerned about.

I have no association with this company, it was just a recommendation by a trusted friend who is kind of a Naim fanatic to check them out with Naim equipment, glad I did.

These cables are, in construction, electrical properties and philosophy, very similar to those made by DNM for the last 40 years or so!

Incidentally I use DNM Resolution speaker cable.

Thanks Huge for the tip, I looked at the DNM website and these cables look to be excellent value for money.

I've not heard of DNM cables?

Interesting to hear more views from those that have?

The main criticism I would have is that it's a bit 'bass light'.  Set against that, in other ways, I found it 'just gets out of the way'.

To phrase that differently there's good resolution, it doesn't degrade the PRaT effect, it doesn't dull the HF, preserves the delicate midrange of my system (a property that's so important to vocals and orchestral timbres), and keeps a real sense of musicality.

I've not compared it to other more expensive cables though.

There's a HiFi Choice review on DNM's site (http://www.dnm.co.uk/reviews/HFCDNMResolution.pdf) that compares it to TQ Black and NAC A5.

I switched to DNM speaker cable about 15 years ago, made a significant difference to my system at the time, noticeably cleaner, more open and dynamic sound. In fact I liked the sound so much that a couple of years  later I switched to DNM amps and interconnects as well.  I've been a satisfied customer ever  since, but I'm so used to the cables that, unfortunately, I have nothing to offer in the way of recent comparisons.  

So better then Nac a5 ?

For my system, as I use a sub to handle the bass frequencies, yes.

For people who use full range main speakers in suitable rooms, it may be different - it depends on what balance of properties you want from a system.

Huge posted:

For my system, as I use a sub to handle the bass frequencies, yes.

For people who use full range main speakers in suitable rooms, it may be different - it depends on what balance of properties you want from a system.

Might be worth a demo for my second system 

wenger2015 posted:

So better then Nac a5 ?

FWIW I did compare the DNM and the Naim cable  back in 2000 (was that Nac a5?) and as I recall, concluded that the DNM brought  a slightly more open,"cleaner" sound, although both made a significant improvement to SQ.  This would have been  with a Rega system though (Elicit and  Elas).  Current DNM cables are a different model, although same design principles.

I could certainly agree with that description.  I believe it applies to the current cables just as much as it did to the older designs.

For my system I'd take the DNM cable over NAC A5 even if they were the same price.
(However I emphasise this is for my system (as I use a sub) for other systems I'd have to reassess the situation).