Dynaudio Contour 60

Posted by: eagle3333 on 17 July 2017

I just spent a few days demoing these speakers at home with a 252/250DR and thought my observations might be of use to anyone curious about them. I have no affiliations. I take pictures of things. The report is thanks to a recommendation from Mr. Halibut (thank you HH) who suggested I check out the 60's in my quest for the right speaker for me - my backstory being a tedious 2-year quest to solve issues of glare and harshness. The foregoing observations are all the product of this set-up, my ears, my room.

The Contour 60's showed no signs of glare whatsoever. Period. Great result for me. They presented a sound packed with delicate detail and texture throughout the range and not just in vocals, but those leading edges and female vocals suffer no harshness and are just beautifully rendered.  

The 60's presentation is not in your face and up front. They are more laid back. They deliver the music a little further back from the speaker plane and so lack the in-your-face thrill factor, in that sense, possessed by 'hooligan' speakers with more slam. (I like hooligan slam too..) They generate their emotion and excitement through the wonderful detail (I haven't heard before) and reproduction that feels very close to the real thing; as opposed to using front-of-stage positioning to try to achieve a sense of reality. Voices are the most lifelike I've ever heard; I can hear delicate intonations in words and phrases which I haven't previously. Katie Melua almost reduced me to tears. 

While the 60's don't really do too much exciting bass 'slap', they reproduce percussion as I understand it to sound in real life; you can hear the texture and changing tone of bass notes. Drums and bass can sit a little further back on the stage, which might lessen the excitement of a more forward presentation, but you gain a greater sense of depth and 3-dimensionality. I'm not saying there is little bass - it goes down to 28hz. It's just less cricket-bat-in-the-face and more 88mm shell detonation. But it's not loose and boomy; it's tight and controlled. My room is 12' x 24'. They are pretty well behaved, but I wouldn't want to put them in a smaller space. I have them 3' off the back wall, 9' apart and 18" off the sidewalls. I threw out all the acoustic panels save for those on the back wall. The 250DR seems to drives them well enough but I'd love to hear them with a 300.

Vast soundstage top to bottom, side to side, front to back and no sign of the speakers.

I'm conscious of more happening in the music than I have been. I imagine this is partly down to the extra detail; the appearance of subtleties; partly down to the shining vocals/midrange and partly, perhaps, because they're not distracting me with anything heavy handed in any one area - everything is in perfect, well-spaced balance. I could describe the 60's as polite and sensitive. They are. But they rock, too; just in a sophisticated way that isn't in your face. Aston Martin as opposed to Ford Focus RS. Being glare free in this company, they also stand listening-to for hours without fatigue. I found their presentation in these circumstances 'musical', utterly beguiling and addictive.  As with everything, they won't suit everyone, but I'd recommend a try at home if you're looking to change. Especially if you suffer any degree of glare!

Philosophical footnote :

I've come to learn (the hard and expensive way) that what we seek is, ultimately, all about synergy. One great unit will sound awful in one context, wonderful in another. HH suggested Dynaudio and Naim are said to have synergy. In the case of the 252/250/Contour 60, they really do. Other things really don't. My journey has also made me take note of just how important are speakers. There's a lot of focus here, naturally, on black boxes and sources, wires etc etc. But I now appreciate the fundamental differences different speakers bring to music reproduction. Just because they're at the end of the chain doesn't mean they should be dealt with last. Some elements make only subtle differences; speakers completely redefine our sound. Whether it's for better or worse is down to that synergy - in each person's own context.

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by analogmusic

"so lack the in-your-face thrill factor"

The speakers don't seem to be run in? Dynaudio's are possibly the most thrilling speakers I have ever heard.

 

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by eagle3333

That's possible and a good point - I neglected to ask the dealer how many hours they had on them. He didn't suggest this as a possibility when I talked about their presentation, though. I will ask. Also, they would have to change character quite considerably to behave like my Sopras!

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by No quarter

Great write up,I am also a Dynaudio user,I have XD 600's and excite 12's.This week I should be receiving my new special 40's,and I have also owned focus 160's and C1 mk11's.Analogmusic,your focus 260's are known to be more up front presentation compared to the Contour line,either way,ANY Dynaudio speaker sound fantastic to me,I have yet to hear the new Contours though.By the way,I also use the 272/250/XPSDR,with which,the Dyn's shine.

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by eagle3333

Thanks No Quarter; enjoy the 40's!

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by spurrier sucks

I haven't heard the Focus 260 but I do own C20 and its my understanding the 260 is a bit more aggressive sounding. Also seems the new Contour line isn't as laid back as the older versions but may still be considered laid back. I find them very easy to listen to and enjoy. I power mine with a 250 DR. 

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by eagle3333

Everything is comparative - Sopra is undeniably very forward and it's in that company that I suggest these are more laid back. I'm playing Gary Numan Live at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, which is big on electronica and driving bass. The C60's presence (and grip) is huge and they're making a pretty dramatic job of accurately conveying the drama and scale of the gig. Right now, at this volume, I wouldn't call them laid back - except in comparison to a very forward speaker. 

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by Mayor West

Glad you're pleased Eagle. Personally I've never really been taken by Dynaudio's but I heard the Contour 30's at the Acoustica hifi show earlier this year and struggled to tear myself away. They were on the end of a NDS/555, 252, 300, Superlumina set up. I would agree with most of your descriptions for the 30's as well, although they produced pretty thundering, beautifully controlled bass when required. They would definitely be on my future audition list, money permitting. I would assume the 60's give even more of the same qualities possessed by the 30's

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by eagle3333

From what my dealer said of the 30's, yes, more of everything seems about right, MW I wish I could stretch to the 300 but just sorting out the speakers and bringing a 252/SC back into the fold will break the bank..

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by spurrier sucks
eagle3333 posted:

Everything is comparative - Sopra is undeniably very forward and it's in that company that I suggest these are more laid back. I'm playing Gary Numan Live at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, which is big on electronica and driving bass. The C60's presence (and grip) is huge and they're making a pretty dramatic job of accurately conveying the drama and scale of the gig. Right now, at this volume, I wouldn't call them laid back - except in comparison to a very forward speaker. 

I'm not sure I would describe them as laid back either. Since I've had them my concert album playing has risen dramatically. Most I've ever played. Nah even say I prefer those now. Sounds like I'm there so I would think these are accurate sounding speakers. I don't have enough experience to truly describe them other than I really do enjoy them. 

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by badlands

I am a little surprised that HH recommended the Dyns to you, I don't think I remember seeing him praise the speakers in this forum.

As for myself, personally I believe the Dyns are some of the finest sounding speakers I have heard, they have such a great synergy with Naim, they are almost exclusively used together at consumer shows in the States.

I have been an owner for sometime, many years actually, and have been singing their praises for quite a long time on this forum, I still haven't heard a tweeter that can compete with the Dynaudio HF driver.

Other areas that they excel at is transparency and dynamics, these two traits are just at another level compared to other speakers I have owned and auditioned. I just keep going back to them!! Not to mention the build quality is exceptional.

By the way, my speakers are not what I would call laid back, and neither were the new Contour's I auditioned at this years Axpona, and at my dealer, who is also a Focal dealer. I wish you luck with your decision, they are just a great speaker.

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by spurrier sucks
badlands posted:

I am a little surprised that HH recommended the Dyns to you, I don't think I remember seeing him praise the speakers in this forum.

As for myself, personally I believe the Dyns are some of the finest sounding speakers I have heard, they have such a great synergy with Naim, they are almost exclusively used together at consumer shows in the States.

I have been an owner for sometime, many years actually, and have been singing their praises for quite a long time on this forum, I still haven't heard a tweeter that can compete with the Dynaudio HF driver.

Other areas that they excel at is transparency and dynamics, these two traits are just at another level compared to other speakers I have owned and auditioned. I just keep going back to them!! Not to mention the build quality is exceptional.

By the way, my speakers are not what I would call laid back, and neither were the new Contour's I auditioned at this years Axpona, and at my dealer, who is also a Focal dealer. I wish you luck with your decision, they are just a great speaker.

What Dyns are you using now? Have auditioned Raidho? If so how you think that tweeter compares as well as the dynamics?

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by eagle3333

HH didn't recommend them per se - he recommended I try them Because, as I recall, he said others had said they were reputed to work well with Naim.  

Yes, I agree with all you observe, especially re: the driver. I wonder whether it's got anything to do with it being soft dome material rather than metal.

If I hadn't listened to all the same tracks in the same room and set up on both sets of speakers, I wouldn't be calling the Dyn's more laid back. (N.B. 'more' and not 'laid back' per se. What I meant was they're more laid back than they are forward) But, parts of the music are reproduced in a more recessed fashion than is the case with my Sopras in this set up and room. It's a pretty controlled environment. However, this isn't necessarily a negative, for reasons I point out above.

Thank you, yes they certainly are; my decision is made and I wish I'd found them sooner. 

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by No quarter

I have heard the Sopra 2's and they really did not wow me into thinking I needed to change from Dynaudio as my go to brand.Yet my local dealer used to own the Dyn C1's for home use,and he preferred and switched to the Sopra 1's in his home.I have heard his Sopra 1's,and they sound really good,but he also has a Chord Dave and Blu 2 running into them.

Posted on: 17 July 2017 by analogmusic

it has been observed Dynaudio speakers (especially the high end ones like Contour) need 250 hours running in time at least... I doubt the speaker if demo unit has that many hours, in fact 500 hours is ideal...

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by eagle3333

I mostly love what my Sopras do. But the Dyn's do it in a way that has captivated me more.  Its very much a matter of personal taste. I posted my findings not to bash anything - I left specific comparisons  out of my main post - but to give folks looking for a speaker solution  a small glimpse of what I'd heard. I do wonder how they'll sound with more hours on them? Even better?! 

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by analogmusic

yes, the drivers open up more, and it does sound better 

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by hungryhalibut

Rather like Badlands, I'm rather surprised to be cited as the motivator to try these speakers. I don't think I've ever seen a Dynavector speaker, let alone heard one. I may well have said 'try it' solely because that's the only way to know if you like a speaker. Anyway, I'm pleased to have been of service, despite having no idea whatsoever what I said and when I said it. 

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by eagle3333

Oh dear. I went back to the old thread. Sorry - it wasn't you HH. You actually recommended Ovators - much more likely. It was actually Badlands. I'm losing memory cells at an alarming rate these days.. Thank you, Badlands

(I'm assuming the reference to Dynavector was a deliberate illustration of just how foreign to you are Dynaudio!)

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by hungryhalibut

Oh dear, did I recommend avocados? I may have said to try them but it I'm not sure I'd positively recommend them, having only heard the 800. Anyway, what's good is you've found something you like, which is all that matters. 

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by eagle3333

Yes, been a long time coming and many false dawns; but I do think this time we're there. 

I know you're also against using wires to tune in/out an effect (in my case, glare.) Without wanting to get into that whole debate and for info' only, I did try some TQ Black Diamond on the Sopras. It produced a much-reduced-glare, silky smooth sound which I liked a lot. But I concluded that a bi-product was to nip a little bit off the top-end detail - in my context. Which put me off. Others won't find this and will love it; which is great. For me, I'm glad I persevered and arrived here. 

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by NJB
No quarter posted:

Great write up,I am also a Dynaudio user,I have XD 600's and excite 12's.This week I should be receiving my new special 40's,and I have also owned focus 160's and C1 mk11's.Analogmusic,your focus 260's are known to be more up front presentation compared to the Contour line,either way,ANY Dynaudio speaker sound fantastic to me,I have yet to hear the new Contours though.By the way,I also use the 272/250/XPSDR,with which,the Dyn's shine.

I have Focus 160s on the end of my 282/200 combination.  I found them a step up from the Excite X12s and they are a beautifully balanced speaker.  If I upgrade, then it will be to another Dynaudio model, I have great faith that they are producing quality products.

Posted on: 18 July 2017 by No quarter
NJB posted:
No quarter posted:

Great write up,I am also a Dynaudio user,I have XD 600's and excite 12's.This week I should be receiving my new special 40's,and I have also owned focus 160's and C1 mk11's.Analogmusic,your focus 260's are known to be more up front presentation compared to the Contour line,either way,ANY Dynaudio speaker sound fantastic to me,I have yet to hear the new Contours though.By the way,I also use the 272/250/XPSDR,with which,the Dyn's shine.

I have Focus 160s on the end of my 282/200 combination.  I found them a step up from the Excite X12s and they are a beautifully balanced speaker.  If I upgrade, then it will be to another Dynaudio model, I have great faith that they are producing quality products.

Yes the focus 160's are a great speaker,and definitely a step up from the excite 12's...I normally use my 12's as surround speakers for home theatre.The special 40's share the same basic cabinet as your 160's,but with the top of the line tweeter and best mid/woofer that they make(a new design).I will post my impressions a while after I receive them.I recently moved to an apartment from a house,so these should be perfect for my situation

Posted on: 19 July 2017 by Dan.S

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Posted on: 20 July 2017 by eagle3333

UPDATE

I've put about 50hrs on the C60's over the last week. They've changed considerably and it's not personal accustomisation. They can't have had many hours on them at all when I started my demo'.

They are really not as 'laid back' as they were. Vocals have come very much to front of stage and are more transparent, vivid and dynamic. (Also read a touch less delicate) If they get anymore 'transparent' they're going to hurt, so I'm really hoping that won't happen. Detail and realism has grown overall. They are much more lively - I don't quite now how else to describe it.  Where I kept thinking 'polite' before, that is not a word that fits now. They're still very controlled, but the music has developed an energy and vitality that wasn't quite there before. Does this sound like running in? I'm thinking to buy these actual speakers so if anyone can comment on what more change might be to come, I'd be grateful.. I know electronics go through ups and downs during running in - I'm prepared for it with the 252 - but do speakers do the same, or just keep going in one direction until they settle? I've never owned a pair of speakers that wasn't run-in before, so it's a learning curve..

Posted on: 20 July 2017 by spurrier sucks
eagle3333 posted:

UPDATE

I've put about 50hrs on the C60's over the last week. They've changed considerably and it's not personal accustomisation. They can't have had many hours on them at all when I started my demo'.

They are really not as 'laid back' as they were. Vocals have come very much to front of stage and are more transparent, vivid and dynamic. (Also read a touch less delicate) If they get anymore 'transparent' they're going to hurt, so I'm really hoping that won't happen. Detail and realism has grown overall. They are much more lively - I don't quite now how else to describe it.  Where I kept thinking 'polite' before, that is not a word that fits now. They're still very controlled, but the music has developed an energy and vitality that wasn't quite there before. Does this sound like running in? I'm thinking to buy these actual speakers so if anyone can comment on what more change might be to come, I'd be grateful.. I know electronics go through ups and downs during running in - I'm prepared for it with the 252 - but do speakers do the same, or just keep going in one direction until they settle? I've never owned a pair of speakers that wasn't run-in before, so it's a learning curve..

My understanding is it takes Dyns a couple hundred hours to run in. I bought my C20 second hand ,although they were just used as surrounds in a HT setup, I think they were broken in when I received them. Not much help am I?lol