A request.

Posted by: Crompton Divided on 01 August 2017

Richard Dane has sometimes intervened to remind foreign posters not to use their native language because this is an English forum and everyone has a right to understand. Fair enough.

Well, I sometimes read posts by English speaking posters so completely devoid of punctuation and with approximated grammar and spelling (there for their, it's for its and the various Shirley or surly for surely, four or five lines without a single comma, no Capitals, etc) that I wonder if the same respect for the English language shouldn't be expected from native posters too.

Just an observation. Foreign posters are no less guests than native ones, and have a right to share communication with an understandable use of the local lexicon.

Thanks,

CD

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Crompton Divided
Derek Wright posted:

As long as peeple take care with there responces what harm is their in a little bit of creative writing

Right, Mr Joyce - now please go back to Finnegan's Wake, the publisher is waiting... 

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Crompton Divided

Seriously – I didn't mean to raise cultural or even economical issues at all. I don't care if someone haven't completed studies or the sort: what right would I have not only to judge, but to take the thing into consideration? Not my business, and praise to those who are successful in their professions.

But there have been posts at the very limit of readability. Now, I once had a friend who worked in advertising. She said that a poster was a success when you noticed it driving at 100 KmH. I thought that a large poster, being visible from all – and, most of all, using the well known techniques of subliminal communication invented by Madmen and adopted by politicians and whoever wants to sell you a toothpick – has a 'duty' to be somehow also let's not say pedagogical, but at least ethic or not diseducative. She said their goal and responsibility was not to educate but to sell. Another guy who worked in advertising once told me 'We don't persuade, we inform'. The paradoxical equal falseness of these two points of view struck me then, and still does. I may go on discussing this for decades, people in advertising are like that. 

Now, this forum is attended by thousand of people I think, most of whom may not be native English speaking (like me), and perhaps they have a 'right' (?) to enjoy and share good communication. Otherwise, the only 'social' utility of such a virtual place is to make people aware of how approximated written language has become. Since I started to see syntax errors in printed articles on newspapers, I am already aware of this, sadly. Not to mention how people speak on TV.

Anyway, enough with this rant. I care about my English because I studied it in Secondary School and in High School, then it was just my interest and love for the language, and reading, be it a song's lyrics or a whole book.

Thanks to all who'll not forget foreign members and will have the time and patience to check what they write. And as another member of this forum sometimes says, excuse me for being pedantic.

CD

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Timmo1341

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Innocent Bystander

He.

He, he, he!

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Timmo1341

On second thoughts, that would result in this forum becoming a very lonely place!

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by sjbabbey
Timmo1341 posted:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."

In the words of Bob Dylan

"Everybody must get stoned"

Posted on: 03 August 2017 by Scooot
Crompton Divided posted:

Seriously – I didn't mean to raise cultural or even economical issues at all. I don't care if someone haven't completed studies or the sort: what right would I have not only to judge, but to take the thing into consideration? Not my business, and praise to those who are successful in their professions.

But there have been posts at the very limit of readability. Now, I once had a friend who worked in advertising. She said that a poster was a success when you noticed it driving at 100 KmH. I thought that a large poster, being visible from all – and, most of all, using the well known techniques of subliminal communication invented by Madmen and adopted by politicians and whoever wants to sell you a toothpick – has a 'duty' to be somehow also let's not say pedagogical, but at least ethic or not diseducative. She said their goal and responsibility was not to educate but to sell. Another guy who worked in advertising once told me 'We don't persuade, we inform'. The paradoxical equal falseness of these two points of view struck me then, and still does. I may go on discussing this for decades, people in advertising are like that. 

Now, this forum is attended by thousand of people I think, most of whom may not be native English speaking (like me), and perhaps they have a 'right' (?) to enjoy and share good communication. Otherwise, the only 'social' utility of such a virtual place is to make people aware of how approximated written language has become. Since I started to see syntax errors in printed articles on newspapers, I am already aware of this, sadly. Not to mention how people speak on TV.

Anyway, enough with this rant. I care about my English because I studied it in Secondary School and in High School, then it was just my interest and love for the language, and reading, be it a song's lyrics or a whole book.

Thanks to all who'll not forget foreign members and will have the time and patience to check what they write. And as another member of this forum sometimes says, excuse me for being pedantic.

CD

Thats

Thousands of people not thousand of people.C'mom,if you are trying to correct us thicko's at leat get it correct your self.

Posted on: 06 August 2017 by Crompton Divided

Ok, thanks. But I wasn't trying to correct anyone. I am not a native English speaking person but I think it's wasted time. I was off on a bad start, and it's the second time on this forum. I just asked to care about grammar and syntax because there are many non-English members who deserve to learn good English. I almost only the kind of ironic and mocking answers you get when you try to communicate with the wrong code in a group if teenagers. But what could I expect from people who have chosen not to even belong to Europe?

Bye.

CD

 

Posted on: 06 August 2017 by Huge

Please don't judge us all so harshly - I do try to get my words right, but sometimes I don't succeed (and being dyslexic certainly doesn't help!).

Not only that but 48% of those who voted in the referendum (including myself) voted to stay in the European Union (and to be equally pedantic, it would be particularly stupid of anyone to have thought they were voting to leave Europe, that being a geographic impossibility  ).